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Hi Mark,
From his comments, post, images and video clips Mr Sharon simingly comes across as utterly believing tha the objects in his posetion are genuine and authentic, and anyone who disagrees with him is totally wrong and has no knowledge of the subjects - whether they be jade, ceramic ext ...
He will just keep on ridigly arguing his points of view, whatever and whoever tells him different ...
Best left alone my friend, to continue exchanges will be 'flogging a dead horse' - so to speak!!😉
Warmest regards,
Stuart
To make statements that nephrite jade can't be dyed or treated like they did to copy the old ones is erroneous. More than 90% of all jades currently on the market today have some form of treatment.
Mr Sharon has made some bold Statements in the past including this:
Why does he not sell or offer his prized possessions to sotheby's where if genuine they would sell for millions. His reply:
He would rather sell them at a fraction on his website. Does that make sense? No it doesn't.
Do not be fooled by this person. He is running a elaborate scam trying to catch uneducated people into buying his rubbish. He only has to catch a couple of ignorant people to make it worth his time. Auction houses have refused to deal with him.
He at every corner has refused to discuss or disclose where he obtained these so-called master pieces. He provide no provenance because none exists. He knows dam well that his site contains all fakes. He is in my submission a con man. He also claims he is a collector and dealer since 1978.
I will no longer be bothered talking to this con man. If he persists in posting his rubbish I will close him down.
Ask legitimate questions. Yes but posting fake rubbish and declaring them authentic time and time again. Like he has done so on another forum will not be tolerated!
Mark
Mark /Bidamount Forum Moderator
You have made very slanderous remarks about me, and I don't appreciate your lies. You are simply acting as a fool you must understand I don't play games when it comes to my integrity I take that very seriously. I have taken screen shots of this this whole conversation I will post this on my website as crony dealer #1 I feel sorry for you, but I only try to educate collectors to the truth about Chinese Arts and the corruption that permeates this market.
Joseph Sharon / ChineseMasterpieces.com
Hi Mark,
Mr Sharon above responses and subsequent post regarding his exchanges with you on his website vividly demonstrates all you need to know about this 'gentlemen' ...
Do not be provoked in responding in any way, best left well alone my friend ...
Interestingly, having looked at his website it would, simingly, appear that he still has many, if indeed not all, the Ming pieses 'attributed' to Xuande and Chenghua reigns that I previously saw many years ago when I first coming across Mr Sharon ...
This alone speaks volumes ...
Stuart
I was on the internet and came across this website that the moderator Mark Adam at BidAmount forum page posted a very cocky and slanderous post about me and my website. So naturally I responded to these people who have been misleading collectors for years about certain truths of the Chinese art markets and things they are flat out lying about to collectors. I have spoken many times about this on my website and videos on youtube trying to bring an awareness how many of the best examples are not brought out into the open market because it is not free yet. Rather, it is controlled by an elite cabal of people who are in many cases profiting by withholding the best pieces from the open market. This Cabal Sotheby's, Christies, and Bonham’s are the main controllers of the art markets and narrative throughout the world. The Museums, Universities and the Crony Art Dealer are just puppets that will agree with whatever the auction houses want because if they don't they'll be blacklisted never to work in the Art business again or be able to sell anything, I've been trying to inform collectors how not to get ripped off by the false narrative they promote to extricate as much money as possible and stay in control of the Chinese Art markets. They don't believe in a honest free market they will do everything possible to control all collectors whether they're small collectors or a high end collector so they waste their money on a lot of junk pieces. I feel there are some honest people that just don't know the truth because they have often been taught by the corrupt people that just go along with the false narrative. And there are those who know the truth but are to afraid to speak up because if you don't follow their false narrative you will be black listed this evil communist tactic seems to have taken hold in all walks of life right now.
I would make a suggestion to visit my website www,ChineseMasterpieces.com I will try to point out somethings l that are completely false and bullshit trying to discredit me and my collection I have taken screen shots of real conversation before they tried clean it up with the edits that took place after awhile trying to discredit my collection and me with their personal libellous slanderous statements.
You clowns think you're slick and know so much with your foolish comments, I'm posting some photos of some jades I owned many years ago I can't put the whole line but each photo was numbered I took screen shot sections out this to give you a idea of the count of ancient and archaic jades
That reminds me of Richard S. who was excluded from this forum some months ago after violently defending his underwater finds. Both buyers were obviously ripped off by Chinese sellers. After spending a fortune in fakes I think you have to desperately convince yourself and others that you have the real stuff, otherwise it’s too humiliating.
Repeating the same arguments by copy and paste doesn’t make them more credible.
Birgit
@chinesemasterpieces-com I have found that the best way to learn a little bit is to first acknowledge that there is much more I do not know that what I do. Perhaps you should open your mind a little to the possibility that there are some things you have yet to learn about Asian antiques, humble yourself, and seek out some qualified mentors who can educate you so that you can make wise collecting decisions in the future.
Dear Birgit and Johnshoe -
Whilst totally concur with the thoughts and opinions expressed in both your posts I would, as with Mark@Imperialfinegems, politely advice you not to be provoked in responding in anyway to Mr Sharon, as this just provides him with an opportunity to lash out, in a most disrespectful and indeed rude manner, as shown by his latest reply ...
As suggested, a visit to Mr Sharon's website is indeed most illuminating, yet not for the reasons he belives in or indeed wishes others to ...
As an aside, on another thread regarding a Ru warming bowl, I posted images from an exhibition held at the Gugong Beijing, 2015 on such wares. The objects included major loans from Shanghai, Tianjin, Jilin, Baofeng Relics Bureau, Henan Archaeology Institute, and the British Museum ...
One of the Appendixes within provides a comprehensive index, with full descriptions and images, of the 90 Ru kiln porcelains collected in museums, institutes and private collection worldwide that are acknowledged as been authentic examples ...
Intriguingly, none of Mr Sharon's pieces are included within this index?! ...
One may question why ...?!
Stuart
This is a post that I put on linkedin trying to make people understand the truth you have know idea how hard it is to make people understand what is happening.
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@chinesemasterpieces-com I looked at your website. You have grossly underestimated the modern day reproduction marketplace. Either that or you are part of it. It is vast and highly sophisticated, and has been for quite some time. Your arguments come across as vague and conspiratorial. While it is true that many others have also expressed frustration with the major auction houses at times, and that it can be difficult to get a piece into their auctions, the idea you promote that they would conspire to prevent great masterpieces from being discovered is ridiculous on its surface. They love it when a great masterpiece is rediscovered and there are many examples of those types of pieces that they have happily sold for large sums. Yes, experts must sign off on pieces, precisely because they are the experts. Otherwise, any self-appointed so called expert will make claims that they have great things that are clearly fake. So, you want everyone to believe that all the big auction houses are corrupt and that they are trying to prevent you from bringing great items to the market. Well then, sell your things on your own and make loads of money from the collectors searching for exactly that every day on ebay, etc. What's the problem? If your stuff is so great, why aren't all the collectors paying you big money for it? You say provenance is a scam. Well, on this forum we discuss items all the time, and provenance does not dominate the discussion when we are assessing a piece. We look at the craft, the art, the material, all the things that help to date and determine the quality of something. Provenance is not the most important things to most of us here, though of course it is one aspect to consider. But, if a piece is not right, and provenance is claimed, usually it is assumed here that the provenance has been fabricated, which apparently happens all the time. So, your pieces either hold up to scrutiny or they don't based on their quality. The members of this forum are varied. Some are new to collecting and some are very experienced. If none of your items are getting any buy in from these members, then my friend, you have a problem with your inventory. But let me test the theory. Post very good professional pictures of what you think is your one best piece and humbly ask the forum what we think of it. No conspiracies. Just quality assessment. People will tell you what they see and that will be that. Noone here cares about your provenance. We just want to see great authenticate things, regardless of where it comes from. So show us one.
You are using all the talking points because that's what you actually believe maybe. This is why I have said it's difficult to make novices understand the true capability of what the copiers can do and can't do. This is why You folks believe what you have been told you are asking me to do something for you once again. I will make it easy I sent you photos of the corrosion of cuprite and malachite on the Ru ware gilded bands. It can not be faked it takes many centuries to develop, cuprite always appears first and then malachite always needs cuprite to grow on top before it can start to develop only in nature can this process develop. it is very easy to recognize once you understand this. If you don't believe me go on the internet and read his book they did a lots of research and testing to determine it can't be reproduced. David Scott worked at the Getty Museum. This is why you rarely are shown this by the cabal Sotheby's Christie's, Bonham's because almost always they clean the copper bands on the pieces. It's hard for you to admit what I have shown you. I'm trying very hard to be civil with you people. It's real cute to mock and scoff and attack me and that's not a good thing it's typical bullying tactics communist use. I'm offering you the opportunity to visit with me at my attorney office. Look I can't play a game of sending you photos and you drawing circles on area of a piece and say you no that has been dyed. That the same type of tactic you have been apparently using knowingly on many pieces you have been shown. The photos on my site are good the photos you put on this feed were horrible. Mark asked me about the white spots on the Huang piece and he said it was dyed or heat treated.Bullshit I sent him the explanation that's not good enough, well many of the white calcification spots are starting from the inside of the jade this can be seen with a loupe. Mark said he sees chipping and skipping in the fine lines and that means they were done with a machine, Bullshit The fine lines on the Huang are almost as thin as a human hair. I told him no scholars have determine what tool their best guess some type of diamond knife was used on certain eastern Zhou pieces, I said this piece can't be scratch stainless steel knife Mark said press harder. Bullshit This is used all the time by collectors pick the area that looks like it has the least amount of inclusions if it scratches it may be a indication it's not jade depending on the pressure used can determine whether it is softer jade material and may need to further examination, some pieces you can even try in areas that have inclusions if everything looks right Marks mockingly said I never handled thousands of pieces. Bullshit I sent you photos to prove I owned at least 3700 ancient and archaic pieces, but they say they don't look right to them.Bullshit Maybe because they haven't been published and you didn't see it sold at Sotheby's. I explained to you many of the finest pieces are not published at Sotheby's. You say you look at the craft the art, the material and determine if its real I guess you do this by looking at a photos in a book or a photo you have been sent. This is exactly the type of bullshit these crooks are telling people often telling collectors that haven't bought though Cabal's network. I'm telling people if you understand chinese art trust yourself first. and if it looks right don't let them bullshit you with this going unto the weeds with them or let them tell you everything on ebay is fake they are flat out liars and they want you to believe them. Watch how they respond to my one question about the cuprite and malachite corrosion on the fire gilded bands on the photos on this feed. I don't need you for anything just remember who actually started this feed.
(From the book Copper and bronze in art by David Scott The existence of malachite formation over a layer of cuprite is supported by analytical and metallographic studies is a good indication of the authenticity of an artifact.)
PS Mark that green jadeite can be dyed drop it in a glass water overnight if it bleeds green dye It's dyed.
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