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But thats nice and interesting ! It is the oldest business in the world and that bangle perhaps is a rare piece of handcrafted jewellry given to a courtesan that left it at the bedside of one of the early qing emperors.
Otherwise Chenghua seemed to be unaware of that fact - or very fond of courtesans...
I understand you want this bracelet to be Ming and in your post have self authenticated as such. There are many examples that show many variations of green cloisonné during the Ming dynasty your bracelet does have familiar comparisons in color. But this alone does not make it Ming. I have looked at the wire on your bracelet at it doesn’t look formed by hammering it is very consistent in thickness this is the same thickness and gilding I have seen in a lot of late to early 20th century cloisonné. The overall style doesn’t fit with Ming period there is to much open space and the unique flow is missing it’s very stiff. Ming wire tends to be petite. But none of those opinions matter because it’s not authentic until a proven comparison or legit providence is provided until than it’s a nice cloisonné bracelet.
Hello Brian;
in my eyes that wiring is hammered - very accurately by the way and "where" are that many examples in familar green based design to find ? ( There it might be, that "proven comparison" )
Is that the kind of "petite" wiring you think of ? : https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/arts-dasie/a-rare-small-gilt-bronze-and-cloisonne-enamels; you should tell them !
That archaistic Taotie themes were "stiff" in a manner as the "Art-Deco" might be called "stiff" - The eyes , protecting from greed and theft as a central motiv - open spaces of color between the elements .
I´ve got some cloisonne works of different eras to compare - believe it or not; none of them is as old as that bangle.
but 3 experts 4 opinions
Kind regards
Chris
I have to admit it is hardly to see on my fotos, but the strenght of the wiring really differs; gilding uniforms it to the eye; so another foto - nothing altered beside the added markers.
Nearly same palette ( all colors on board ; only the dark green is swapped to black on my bangle; ) very accurately hammered wires; same aging characteristics.
@dante I think your going about this wrong. Comparing apples to oranges. Your taking basic elements I call it window shopping. Look at the rendering find examples with identical rendering Ming cloisonné is fluid connected it flows somewhere. Find a bracelet first any bracelet from Ming period start there. Once you have found a Ming cloisonné bracelet then find objects with the same motif. Ask yourself is the gilding worn in areas where the users wrist wore for centuries. Trust me if it was Ming period it was worn not stored in a box for 4 centuries. Have you looked under a loop to check the purity of gold what is the composition of the wiring. In my experience starting believing it’s not and working forward is much more productive. In my opinion and it’s only that the bracelet is stiff and uniform it doesn’t flow anywhere it’s like the artist was just going threw the motions. I see the wire looks rolled the enamels are blobbed in areas with no wiring it shows no ware to the gilding on the inside where the hand is pulled through and the color palette is not consistent. These hurdles must be considered.
I agree with Brian. You need to find another Ming cloisonné bangle to establish their existence. It would be remarkable if you had the only surviving example. I am struggling to find 19th c examples.
I remember reading something about all the black dots but it is saved on my pc. I will look later.
Have you thought about sending the photos and dimensions to Christies or one of the other major auction houses? They handle a lot of Ming cloisonné and I am sure they will know. Actually, that reminds me, how big is the interior diameter where the hand goes through?
@julia Yes, i did that years ago - but you know if a single object, lacking reference falls under their 5000 Dollar limit of estimation or whatever it is today; you will not get any information about it from their side.
6.7 cm is its inside diameter, 1 cm material strength
@Brian - Yes i tested the material a long time ago; 8 K test stood quite long but dissolved in the end; an alloy containing gold to a low degree might it be nevertheless.
I see my bangle is on the french site of bidamount auctions offered for eternity....
https://bidamountlive.com/fr/produit/a-ming-dynastie-cloisonne-bangle/
Thanks for the size.
Maybe I have been lucky, but I have generally had good information about items that I have sent in. Anyway, I found the piece of info regarding black dots - not much of it and I didn't save where it was from, but here you are:
Good 20th c Japanese imitations of Ming cloisonné may show tiny black dots in the enamels which will not wash off.
Ever considered why they forged that black dots ? Simple; authentic pieces have them too. But on authentic pieces they differ in size and are more craters with mounds from inside the material than specs in the material. So you´re right - not much of it.
Ever seen such forgeries by the way ?
Of course authentic pieces have them, too, I didn't think I needed to say that.
I didn't post that to have a go at you, I was simply following up on the fact that I had said I remembered seeing something - I thought that might be polite or helpful or something.
Good luck with your quest, I genuinely wish you every success.
19th century Chinese cloisonné has black dots I just sold a candle holder full of them. The black dots are from the solder used to mount the wiring as time and traditional techniques changed the solder was no longer used. As for theory of only one in example ever created let think about this for a moment. Cloisonné being very popular in the Ming period one single bracelet is created among thousands of vessels in a color palette and style that is not consistent of the period. That seems very unlikely did you say the gilt was 8k or mean 18k. Here is a listing on EBay look at that top right bracelet looks really close in style and construction. One other thing to consider maybe the green enamel acts differently in the kiln due to impurities this can also creat dotting.
In case of my bangle i ask myself: who the heck forges an not too easy to craft object, nobody knows about ? A masochist forger starved to death already it seems...
That bangles on that foto are glassy crap by the way.
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