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Found this 17" Vase on eBay brilliantly colored with a JiWei (either 1919 or 1979) date. Has all attributes of being authentic Republic period vase (only doesn't have expected wear). One thing I always look at if I am not familiar with seller is their other items up for sale. This seller seems to have a mix of authentic and copied items for sale. What is your opinion? And Thanks as always.
George
A beautiful vase. To me it looks fine for 1919 with some impurities in the glaze and in the pink color and the partly rubbed off red characters. I'm not an expert though, others might think different about it. Rather strange that he offers the same vase for $899 - or is it a pair?
Birgit
I don't know. I keep waivering. Something about it seems to say 1970s. Something to do with the decoration. It reminds me of the 1970s bubble-writing for some reason. Some of the colours seem very modern, too.
However, I then look at the handles, the foot and the inside shot and I think, actually, maybe it is fine for 1919.
I am not being very helpful, sorry!
The two vases are the same, they have the same wear to the flowers at the top. How strange.
Julia and Shinigami,
I also noticed the same vase buy it now at $899. I'm thinking it is either the same vase looking for a quick sale or a second making a pair?
Otherwise, although the seller is in Miami, in their shipping section they mention that some items will ship from Hong Kong? Also they are also selling household and beauty products? I only considered this item due to the fact that some of the other items for sale do appear authentic.
George
I can't contribute much, but there is noticeable wear on both picture 5 and 6 (the flowers and the writing near the neck), which would be consistent with where you would hold onto it when you moved it (one hand on bottom and one on the neck when lifting it).
Other than that, it is a beautiful vase 🙂
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I’m thinking of possibly bidding (it is beautiful and even if not of the period would make a nice display).
I’ll wait for more feedback from forum members. I really appreciate what you all have to say and trust you will not be competing with me ?
George
Dear George,
in my opinion it can't be 1919, it is much later.
I personally would not buy it, but it is matter of individual taste.
Giovanni
Hi George,
Even though it may not be all that old, if you like it and the price is minable, then buy it.
Mark
Hi Giovanni,
I value your opinion and agree that it is possibly fairly modern, perhaps 1979? At the right price it certainly would add color to my home. In my almost forty years of collecting I have rarely seen such a nicely drawn vase.
Thanks,
George
I agree that whatever period it's a nice thing , and worth buying if cheap, but if it's the same item as the BIN vase then that suggests trouble ahead , and I don't think it's worth $899. (I personally don't like ebay sellers who give their antiques a stock number , suggesting they have multiple items that look the same !)
To me this looks like a 1970s thing , maybe made in 1979 in the style of 1919, which would be fitting, and copying republican style. Just from the colours and overall look and making of the vase. The wear on the red enamels could easily happen over the last 40 odd years.
tam
Mark,
I definitely will watch it until Tuesday. Thanks for your advice.
Wondering if Xin will chime in?
George
Thanks Tam, I appreciate your opinion.
George
Dear George:
I understand your ambivalence about this vase and the differing opinions of other Forum members as to its dating. I think members all consider this vase to be 20th century. Some regard it as of the Republican period and others as being later, e.g. 1970 -1990. Firstly, I think it is a lovely vase. The colors are brilliant and it will display beautifully. The art work is of good quality.
When I first saw your post, the vase reminded me of a 23" x 9-1/2" vase that one was one of the early items I acquired. I'm attaching photographs of the vase. The colors are stronger in the vase than shown in the photographs because of the flash effect of my camera, but they are not as vivid as those in the vase you are asking about. Also, my vase lacks any calligraphy. I bought the vase in San Francisco in 1989 from "Orientations" an apparently reputable small antique store specializing in Chinese and Korean items. The store went out of business many years ago. In their description of the vase in the certificate of purchase, they indicated that the predominant decoration was a pomegranate tree with rocks and chrysanthemums at the base. They claimed it was of the Tongzhi period in the certificate of purchase. At that time, I knew very little about Chinese art and bought the piece because I liked it. I still like it although I think it's a late 20th century vase and nowhere near the Tongzhi period (1862 - 1875) in date of production. When i was moving from one city in the USA to another, I sent photographs of 17 Chinese porcelains in my possession in 1995 to the head of the Chinese porcelain department at Sotheby's for an opinion. Of the 17 items, sixteen were validated as 18th or 19th century Chinese porcelains. The sole exception was this vase which was characterized as follows: "Chinese Export Famille Rose Vase with floral decoration, modern. Value $300-500 (Not saleable)."
The vase you are interested in has similar handles to mine. They have a Chinese lattice or fret design that is gilded in the case of my vase while yours has white handles and both vases have a gilded rim edge. The feet on both vases look similar to my inexpert eye. I have not seen these particular types of handles on older Qing and Republican period vases before, but maybe others with more experience on the Forum have seen them?
However, based on the above, I think the vase you are asking about is a late 20th century vase. I would not, however, mind owning it. It is very well done.
Kind regards,
Errol
Errol,
Thanks for your update and history. I am retired in Monterey and did most of my collecting and selling 1970-2012 while in San Francisco and remember Orientations and Butterfields (now Bonhams San Francisco). FYI, There is an Orientations now in Monterey, check it out online. I do believe my vase is modern with several attempts to look like an earlier 20th vase (note beautiful burnt orange around foot rim, caligraphy, upper rim brown dressing, and some wear in upper handling area). One give away is the ears, and like your nice vase, neither of us has seen these ears on true early Republic period vases.
Thanks Again,
George
Dear George:
You are welcome! I did know about "Orientations" in Monterey but have have not been there. I assume the owners are different?
Regarding your vase, I think another suspicious element, that others here have drawn attention to, is the apparent availability of two vases that are identical for all practical purposes. As you say, the seller may be trying to get the best of both worlds on the same vase. Alternatively, in the worst-case scenario he might have a production mill in Hong Kong. Despite all of that it is a lovely vase that you probably will enjoy owning.
I wonder though, if you decide you want it, whether you should not consider making an offer on the Buy it Now vase, if that is the other member of a pair? As you might have seen this week, I posted about what was likely a late 20th century large vase that sold at auction on eBay for $3,750 which I thought was amazing. You could find that "your" vase sells for $1,500 at auction whereas you could get it as a Buy It Now for about $750 if you like it and make an offer that is accepted.
Best regards,
Errol
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