The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Found this 17" Vase on eBay brilliantly colored with a JiWei (either 1919 or 1979) date. Has all attributes of being authentic Republic period vase (only doesn't have expected wear). One thing I always look at if I am not familiar with seller is their other items up for sale. This seller seems to have a mix of authentic and copied items for sale. What is your opinion? And Thanks as always.
George
A beautiful vase. To me it looks fine for 1919 with some impurities in the glaze and in the pink color and the partly rubbed off red characters. I'm not an expert though, others might think different about it. Rather strange that he offers the same vase for $899 - or is it a pair?
Birgit
I don't know. I keep waivering. Something about it seems to say 1970s. Something to do with the decoration. It reminds me of the 1970s bubble-writing for some reason. Some of the colours seem very modern, too.
However, I then look at the handles, the foot and the inside shot and I think, actually, maybe it is fine for 1919.
I am not being very helpful, sorry!
The two vases are the same, they have the same wear to the flowers at the top. How strange.
Julia and Shinigami,
I also noticed the same vase buy it now at $899. I'm thinking it is either the same vase looking for a quick sale or a second making a pair?
Otherwise, although the seller is in Miami, in their shipping section they mention that some items will ship from Hong Kong? Also they are also selling household and beauty products? I only considered this item due to the fact that some of the other items for sale do appear authentic.
George
I can't contribute much, but there is noticeable wear on both picture 5 and 6 (the flowers and the writing near the neck), which would be consistent with where you would hold onto it when you moved it (one hand on bottom and one on the neck when lifting it).
Other than that, it is a beautiful vase 🙂
~ Decorative Arts, Antiques and Accessories, at Mollari's ~ www.mollaris.com
I’m thinking of possibly bidding (it is beautiful and even if not of the period would make a nice display).
I’ll wait for more feedback from forum members. I really appreciate what you all have to say and trust you will not be competing with me ?
George
Dear George,
in my opinion it can't be 1919, it is much later.
I personally would not buy it, but it is matter of individual taste.
Giovanni
Hi George,
Even though it may not be all that old, if you like it and the price is minable, then buy it.
Mark
Hi Giovanni,
I value your opinion and agree that it is possibly fairly modern, perhaps 1979? At the right price it certainly would add color to my home. In my almost forty years of collecting I have rarely seen such a nicely drawn vase.
Thanks,
George
I agree that whatever period it's a nice thing , and worth buying if cheap, but if it's the same item as the BIN vase then that suggests trouble ahead , and I don't think it's worth $899. (I personally don't like ebay sellers who give their antiques a stock number , suggesting they have multiple items that look the same !)
To me this looks like a 1970s thing , maybe made in 1979 in the style of 1919, which would be fitting, and copying republican style. Just from the colours and overall look and making of the vase. The wear on the red enamels could easily happen over the last 40 odd years.
tam
Mark,
I definitely will watch it until Tuesday. Thanks for your advice.
Wondering if Xin will chime in?
George
Thanks Tam, I appreciate your opinion.
George
Dear George:
I understand your ambivalence about this vase and the differing opinions of other Forum members as to its dating. I think members all consider this vase to be 20th century. Some regard it as of the Republican period and others as being later, e.g. 1970 -1990. Firstly, I think it is a lovely vase. The colors are brilliant and it will display beautifully. The art work is of good quality.
When I first saw your post, the vase reminded me of a 23" x 9-1/2" vase that one was one of the early items I acquired. I'm attaching photographs of the vase. The colors are stronger in the vase than shown in the photographs because of the flash effect of my camera, but they are not as vivid as those in the vase you are asking about. Also, my vase lacks any calligraphy. I bought the vase in San Francisco in 1989 from "Orientations" an apparently reputable small antique store specializing in Chinese and Korean items. The store went out of business many years ago. In their description of the vase in the certificate of purchase, they indicated that the predominant decoration was a pomegranate tree with rocks and chrysanthemums at the base. They claimed it was of the Tongzhi period in the certificate of purchase. At that time, I knew very little about Chinese art and bought the piece because I liked it. I still like it although I think it's a late 20th century vase and nowhere near the Tongzhi period (1862 - 1875) in date of production. When i was moving from one city in the USA to another, I sent photographs of 17 Chinese porcelains in my possession in 1995 to the head of the Chinese porcelain department at Sotheby's for an opinion. Of the 17 items, sixteen were validated as 18th or 19th century Chinese porcelains. The sole exception was this vase which was characterized as follows: "Chinese Export Famille Rose Vase with floral decoration, modern. Value $300-500 (Not saleable)."
The vase you are interested in has similar handles to mine. They have a Chinese lattice or fret design that is gilded in the case of my vase while yours has white handles and both vases have a gilded rim edge. The feet on both vases look similar to my inexpert eye. I have not seen these particular types of handles on older Qing and Republican period vases before, but maybe others with more experience on the Forum have seen them?
However, based on the above, I think the vase you are asking about is a late 20th century vase. I would not, however, mind owning it. It is very well done.
Kind regards,
Errol
Errol,
Thanks for your update and history. I am retired in Monterey and did most of my collecting and selling 1970-2012 while in San Francisco and remember Orientations and Butterfields (now Bonhams San Francisco). FYI, There is an Orientations now in Monterey, check it out online. I do believe my vase is modern with several attempts to look like an earlier 20th vase (note beautiful burnt orange around foot rim, caligraphy, upper rim brown dressing, and some wear in upper handling area). One give away is the ears, and like your nice vase, neither of us has seen these ears on true early Republic period vases.
Thanks Again,
George
Dear George:
You are welcome! I did know about "Orientations" in Monterey but have have not been there. I assume the owners are different?
Regarding your vase, I think another suspicious element, that others here have drawn attention to, is the apparent availability of two vases that are identical for all practical purposes. As you say, the seller may be trying to get the best of both worlds on the same vase. Alternatively, in the worst-case scenario he might have a production mill in Hong Kong. Despite all of that it is a lovely vase that you probably will enjoy owning.
I wonder though, if you decide you want it, whether you should not consider making an offer on the Buy it Now vase, if that is the other member of a pair? As you might have seen this week, I posted about what was likely a late 20th century large vase that sold at auction on eBay for $3,750 which I thought was amazing. You could find that "your" vase sells for $1,500 at auction whereas you could get it as a Buy It Now for about $750 if you like it and make an offer that is accepted.
Best regards,
Errol
Latest Post: Erotic carved celadon? I must have lead a sheltered life, not seeing this before Our newest member: Mae Naylor Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.