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Hi Richard,
Your vase has a shape and painting style of Yuan dynasty vases, but a Xuande mark. Only from that I can tell you it could not be right.
How many real Xuande procelains have you already handled? Have you ever touched a real one?
We want to help you, not to blame you.
Thank you for sharing.
WBR
Xin
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Dear Richard,
Giovanni and the others are right: it makes no sense to compare details and colors if the item itself is not right. They can put all kind of details in a fake (and they do), but it’s still a fake, which is recognizable with a bit of practice.
Best regards
Shinigami
Birgit
Hi all and I love all your thoughts, Thank you Xin, Giovanni and others
Follow me for a moment as I present my case like a lawyer would, we all will learn something for sure and others that are not commenting will also learn.
Xin you pointed out that the vase looks like Yuan style but has a Xuande mark so that basically says it all, and I would agree except for my homework as presented, Now first of all I only payed 170.00 for this vase, I can throw it away and it would not hurt at all, but I would like to present some vases from Hongwu the first Ming emperor sold by Christie's and Sotheby's to match up motifs and designs showing its Ming designs and not only Yuan designs, furthermore Hongwu banned yuan designs and cobalt so they started using copper red and experimenting trying to get it right, more Red vases were made during the first emperor reign then any other time, 1368 - 1398 and that is not far from Xuande of 1425 reign
The only dragon that I can find that looks like mine is this first picture from a Hongwu red vase take a look, but first my vase again to compare it
Pretty close right? Now let`s look at some red Hongwu vases sold by Christies etc...
Look closely at the design and motifs, remember this is Ming not Yuan, you can check yourself at Christie`s and Sotherby`s
Blue cobalt came back when Hongwu died so now we are only about 25-30 years away from Xuande, and able to use Yuan motifs if they want to, no ban
This vase is beautifully done with thick porcelain, and it has animal handles, half the vase is a dragon and half is a phoenix
Now let me show you some yuan vases and look at the different motifs and design, their not the same, This is a famous vase ...
next is a Sotherby`s vase
Thanks for reading and listening - rich
richard severson
Dear Richard,
I am not following your thoughts. Your vase is a clear fake. Send even a single picture to Christie's and you will see, assuming that you want to listen.
Giovanni
Hi Richard
I appreciate your dedication to the forum. That's my advice for you : Try to collect more modest things. When you said you've paid $170 for a xuande mark and period vase you don't even have to see the vase to know it's a fake!. You can't buy a 10million dollar vase for $170. With modest pieces you won't be able to make these extravagant claims, sure. But at least you'll enjoy genuine art of the period and your collection will hold its value and possibly increase over the years.
In 2018, unless you have 100s of millions to spend, you cannot buy a vast collection of imperial ming and song pieces.
Hi Springmeter - Hope you don`t mind my different approach to collecting, I have always done things differently, and have always got deals when others were afraid, I have no TV and spend my time studying Chinese antiques only and love what I do, Yes I make mistakes and many but no one was born knowing a thing, the best way is to make mistakes and learn
Your approach is conservative and right for many people, I would rather shoot for the moon and miss than shoot for the mud and make it
I could show you a vase that no one would buy for 10.00 but is worth so much you would not believe it, and it`s only because its not cleaned and pretty so they think it is junk - they simply don`t know and I know that
In 2018 I believe there has never been better opportunities than now, over 100,000 people are robbing tombs in China, the problem is so huge that the government said its as big of a problem as The USA`s drug problem, they can`t stop it, where do you think all those items go? this has been going on for many many years
The China government can`t and won`t sell anyone these items, most of the items at musuems were not gotten legally, who could have sold them to them? The government, remember all bronzes were burial pieces and never handed down from generation to generations
It`s private farmers, peasants and of course the thieves selling then on the black market
Thanks for you advise and comment - rich
richard severson
My Xuande vase definitely has a Yuan type of dragon on it with that 1 top tooth and open jaw, the dragon basically started on blue and whites in the yuan dynasty, many have copied them afterward, here is a Qing dynasty vase with a top 1 tooth dragon like mine, except it`s at least 300 years later and still coping that style dragon
richard severson
I think Pastor Sy has been reincarnated and is now a white guy?
Jon
Dear Richard,
If you disagree with the opinions presented here, there is a very simple step you could take to establish how old your vase is. Send the photos to some auction houses and they will send you their feedback.
Quick and simple.
Kind regards,
Adrian
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