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These vases sold from a big seller for £90 after 14 bids. They stand at only 5 inches tall.
They listed as vintage mid 20th century. Has anyone any idea why these Cloisonne vases sold for so much?
why is £90 so much ? maybe not a great bargain , but certainly not an overpayment .
As a pair they are more desirable then one alone;
they are basically in good condition ,
5 inches is not huge but not tiny ,
and old Chinese cloisonne is quite rare and collectible.
These are export items, but they have some age, poss 1920s.
And dragons are always popular.
tam
Hi Tam,
Ok, Maybe i am jumping in at the deep end here, however that design is very common and I have seen it on many items that sell for less than £30
I was researching prices and i found this interesting Auction site that lists evaluations and realized price. Might be very helpful for people wondering about valuations in places like ebay.
https://www.antiquehelper.com/catalog.php?id=117&page=4
Basically I was curious if there was something special about the vases. Cloisonne seems to be extremely unpredictable in terms of price. Generally they sell way below their value but sometimes they sell quite high. You are right after i researched the price that it was quite accurate.
However the vases below sold for only £5 each and they are obviously worth more which reflects the unpredictability in the Cloisonne market. Perhaps that is only a good thing for buyers and not so much for sellers. Might be wise to set a reserve if you are selling Cloisonne.
Short Dong, the last two you posted are just awful in my opinion. The more detailed wire work and complex enamelling should bring more money. The pair I would happily pay £90 for. I think good Cloisonne is going really cheap in today’s market. The older examples were all hand polished, imagine the time it would take to hand polish Cloisonne of any shape. Never mind the time and fussiness of laying down the wire work.
Short Dong, the last two you posted are just awful in my opinion. The more detailed wire work and complex enamelling should bring more money. The pair I would happily pay £90 for. I think good Cloisonne is going really cheap in today’s market. The older examples were all hand polished, imagine the time it would take to hand polish Cloisonne of any shape. Never mind the time and fussiness of laying down the wire work.
Ronm,
I am clueless it seems with Cloisonne and my taste is all over the place, i like the plainest of Cloisonne.
However i was watching these 2 beauties and I am still not sure how huge a mistake i made with them. I had the highest bid and then another bidder came in ( only 2 of us) I could easily outbid him, but I am new to cloisonne and pushed him to £15 and instead of outbidding him i back away. I spent all of 2 days regretting it,
It is like Plique a jour , the Chinese have very visible wires in their Plique a Jour bowls but the Japanese have invisible wires so it seems like your are looking through glass. That is how i see Cloisonne and find the wires to be ugly.
These are the vase's i passed on, and despite my preferance for the style of the second picture, the more i look at their detail, even if they are modern i think they are beautiful.
Sold £15
This is the style that i prefer.
These are my favorite and no suRprise i think they are Japanese.
The bottom of the two looks Japanese, I think Tam is correct in that old Chinese cloisonné is probably more desirable. The first one, just looks rather garish, I wouldn't have given £5 for it.
At a local charity shop they had a large cloisonné plate, looked to be very nicely decorated, but they were asking £150 for it so I didn't even ask to look at it. I might next time if it is still there. I find cloisonné difficult to judge, so if this is a good piece, maybe it is an opportunity to handle one.
Julia
This is in response to your earlier post. ?
I like the £15 pair, too.
🙁 yes, I think i missed out on the £15 butterfly pair, and i was there for the last few seconds of the auction, it would have taken about £19-£20 in a final swoop bid to get them, as the second bidder was going incrementally, his max would have been easy to beat. To put it another way if i wasn't bidding he would have got them for £8.
I think they are better than the Chinese dragons, but i do see those Chinese vases alot and if i wanted i could get one for less than £20 easily. I may not like them but if other people do like them then I could buy them cheap and sell them on... as I wouldn't like them to keep.
Chinese and Japanese cloisonne have different markets and prices, Chinese buyers push up the prices for Chinese items , but they have no interest in average quality C20th Japanese cloisonne.
You can buy cheaper £20 Chinese dragon vases and dishes on ebay , because those are new copies. Everything is being copied ! Maybe check alibaba also.
The two original dragon vases you showed are not great quality , . But there are people who collect specific sets of cloisonne , in particular base colours, I suppose, for whom £90 is reasonable/not excessive.
tam
Thanks Tam,
That does explain it better. The very last picture is the coolest i think.
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