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Dear Julia,
I said that I was not answering also in your interest, and that was referred to the fact (be sure it is a fact) that it is extremely unprobeable to make money with snuff bottles bought on the net.
But I am not sure if it has also been clear that it is not logical to ask, on a public Forum, full of members who have more or less our same interests, if an item visible to anyone is a good purchase or not.
Each one of us, if he spots something valuable that is not properly described, he will keep it for himself, that’s logic, no?
Either if he is interested or for not ruin the plans of other members.
BTW, if the dragon bottle is Guangxu as it seems, it is more desirable than the black background one, although earlier.
Regards,
Giovanni
That's why I put the smiling face when I said I preferred the black one. 😊
I do hope everyone realises that I only asked because I needed help, not because I wanted to ruin anyone else's plans? Items coming up for auction have often been discussed on here, only the other day people were asking where certain items were being sold.
I have had much appreciated assistance with auction items, too. I had always assumed that was ok; please forgive me if I misunderstood or if this time I accidentally crossed a line.
Thanks for all the help.
Julia
I like to translate the word “provenance” with “shameful lack of knowledge”.
Dear Giovanni, you are telling absolutly the truth. They just ask about provenance. No provenance, no deal. What a shame!
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@xin_fawis As a new collector this not good news to me, that the major auction houses would be so adverse to accepting great authentic bottles if they don't have the provenance established. I can't help but wonder why snuff bottles would be treated differently than other items? Can anyone shed more light on why other than What Giovanni said, which was that they don't have real experts in the area of snuff bottles.
Also, even if the biggest auction houses are sometimes resistant to take on items that don't have the long line of provenance, could some reputable regional auction houses be more willing to take on these quality items, and if so wouldn't true collectors be aware of them through the main auction sites and become excited by the availability anyway?
Dear John (I think is your name) why are snuff bottles treated differently than, for example, Chinese porcelain? Exactly for the reason that I have reported. If you do not believe that, try yourself.
I am not talking based on a single experience, but on many instead.
Of course you can sell snuff bottles at less important auction houses, but the result will be much far from those of the three big ones. The same bottle, provided that it has all that “pedigree” given by those few sellers (which may worth nothing because I could show you some of such bottles that are clearly fake) would sell for tens of thousand dollars by one of the three big houses, and be sure, ten times less at a secondary house.
You could simply browse at the results, and verify yourself.
Giovanni
@clayandbrush Giovanni, I still do not understand why the major auction houses would have a different approach or expertise with snuff bottles than they would with other forms of Chinese art. What is your feeling on why this is? It doesn't seem to make good business sense. Why wouldn't they want to be up on their game in all areas? John
What is my feeling on why of this? It is not a feeling, I am absolutely sure that it is exactly as I said, and for the reasons that I said.
If you have a valuable bottle please submit it to them, and you will see yourself.
They are there only for making money, or do you think that they are there for love of art?
If the current schema works very well for them, why should them change it? Why should them sell bottles for a normal price, if thanks to the current schema they are able to sell a bottle for ten times more to one of those big pockets and one year later sell the same bottle for an higher price to another one with a biggest pocket, and so on?
Buy a catalog of one of the famous snuff bottles auctions, and please read the notes. For almost all bottles: Belonging from X (one of the very few dealers), then ex collection Y, ex collection Z, and so on. And the price increasing each time. Very simple.
Giovanni
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