Dear Short Dong, Thegoldentoad, all.

First I do not want to be satisfied by Alan. I am not interested to know to whom he was referring. I told him my point of view in case that if he was referring to me, that’s it.

Second, I do not know to what are your referring about attacks moved against Peter, previous posters of fake objects, etc etc because evidently happened before I did join here.

The more important point to me is that I reiterate that I am even more irritated by Richard’s post because you Short Dong are believing that his things may be genuine.

That is a tragedy in your learning curve. That is proving that I am right in openly telling him that he should stop to pollute the Forum. He is dangerous.

Going further dear Short Dong it is not understanding to me how you can give him credibility or try to understand him despite the fact that he has never provided a solid argument in support of his crazy statements.

Dear Short Dong, please let me understand because I can’t really follow you:

• Suppose that I show you a piece that you do not know and I tell you that it is Song. If you ask me why it is Song, I will provide you clear evidences of that, by showing the same object in books or in Museums, and so on.
• Richard shows you a piece saying that it is Song. Everybody tells him that it is ridiculous. I tell him that he should provide evidence. He doesn’t do that, never, and diverges to other things, like this thread for example.

Please let me understand. How can someone believe that he could be right? It is not understandable to me. Regardless if you know or not a bit about Song ware, it is obvious that he is not acting in bona fide.

Please ask him to show you a single reference for his rubbish.

And please have a look at a book on Song ware so you too will realize that those things are rubbish.

Giovanni

For the record, I am on the Gotheborg forum, too, not that you would notice as I don't say much.  I know there have been some unpleasant incidents, but I think Richard is who he says he is, you can search his name on the internet and see if what you know of him here, fits the profile of any of the results.  I am more than happy to accept Richard is Richard.

I don't think anyone thinks any of Richard's items are genuine, but he never seems to be asking an opinion on them, which is why I think we should stop offering one.  He isn't interested in having his objects objectively scrutinised. 

I do worry that people visiting will be misled by Richard's assertions, but if they do enough digging, they will see comments on other threads and work things out.  Most people know that the likelihood of coming across so many "treasures" that others have missed is zero. Besides, as a novice myself, on Gotheborg, if an item has not been commented on, I tend to think it is either because it has been missed or it is due to a negative reason: I would not take that example as my top guide in assessing the worth of something else.

Last thing: we do not know why some people are so intent on defending the authenticity of their items.  Perhaps we should bear in mind that not everyone sees the world through the same eyes and accordingly, may find certain ideas hard to accept or to let go of.  I suspect that for all of us, the hardest lesson to learn is that we are clinging to something that is not what we think it is; for some people, that may be harder than for others.  

Julia

Dear Julia, are you 200 years old? ?  ? 

I say so because I have seen, not only in this thread, that you are so wise.

Admirable.

Giovanni

Hi all - some great comments here, people could get tired and leave a forum not because they are wrong but because a few run the show

over and over again, most people take the path of least resistance, but one will never grow strong that way, you can be strong and be respectable at the same time

I have considered Julia`s proposal that I should say something like I think this is Song, Perhaps this is a Song vase etc... however that rule of conduct would have to be on all of us, Imagin others having to say I think those items are trash, I think those items are fake

Would everyone follow this?  That`s the problem!  One is cock sure it is fake, it is trash, that sounds to me like a 100% surety without holding and touching it, truly amazing, well at least in my opinion lol

Yes I am 100% sure they are real and I don`t have to prove it to anyone, I am sharing on a site that says share your favorite things

does everyone that post on this "Share your favorite thing" thread have a TL test, A Sotheby`s or Christies approval? 

I would not care if you do or Don`t, we are sharing, this is not a court, I am not guilty, I am innocent until proven guilty in America

Now if you want to prove me guilty of lying, cheating or something then do it, You have the burden of proof and be 100% sure about it ok

I tell you my items are real and that is why I am sharing them, they're very rare and the world has not seen some of these, the first time ever showing them and I get all this from a few

Now Julia, I am not asking for their advice, it's not in identify this, or Please help me figure out my item

I am sharing and if you want me to add I think this is that then put that on all members ok and monitor that because you know it won`t hold

Now my last statement here... Prove my items fake or shut-up, prove there new, prove that the underwater crustations  have been glued on

Prove that I am a scam, prove that I am dis-honest

What a few have done is nothing short of slander without proof, some saying I am joking, some saying I am trolling, some saying I made a fake account, Do you know me? is that who I am?

Well folks these are my opinions hope you have some too - rich

Alan, Shortdong, John  I love your comments- heartfelt - Thanks rich

Haha, ridiculous.

ask me to prove if one of my items is authentic: I will provide tons of proves.

So in your opinion you can say any short of idiocy and others are who has to prove that it is an idiocy?

“I am sure that my things are genuine”: why? Based on what?

I will no more comment here. But be just sure that if you will post another trash, I will say what it is, just trash.

Giovanni

It's funny there are a lot of really good quality fakes out there but this guy posts the absolute worst quality. For me he is most likely joking, likely a fake account like Sy from Goteborg.

And hey 'Rich', if you are real I want you to post a selfie of you holding one of these brilliant pieces and a piece of paper with the date on it.

Thank you, Giovanni, not quite that old yet, though! ? 

Richard, I agree, you are not asking for anyone's opinion.  The thing is, usually when people post their favourite things, they like others to comment.  After all, this forum is to facilitate discussion of things that interest us.  If you really don't want to discuss the merits of your items, then none of us should say anything.  That doesn't mean you should stop sharing things you love.  

If you want to discuss something, then yes, post it under a different topic, but please don't make absolute statements regarding authenticity, tell us why you think something is the case and allow those who may have other ideas to explain why they believe that you may be mistaken.  We all need to be open to the fact that we may be wrong; in your case, if you were willing to even consider that possibility, you may find people more tolerant of your views.

I believe you are who you say you are, but I also believe you are mistaken about your items.  It is not for any of us to prove we are correct, we are offering an opinion based on photos and information given by you.  You can prove us wrong, though, by sending photos to a major auction house and sharing their opinion with us.  

I am not going to say anymore: I am neither competent to make expert comments on your items nor am I responsible for what anyone chooses to say in these forums.  I would just like to take some of the animosity out of recent comments; comments made to you but also by you.  It clearly states at the top of this page "be respectful of others and enjoy yourselves" - I would just like us all to try to get back to that.

Have a good day, everyone.

Julia