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Topic starter 14/12/2021 3:02 am  

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Thank you John. I have not seen it and it would be very kind of you if you can.

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14/12/2021 4:40 am  

@jeremy

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Apologies for the lighting, it is almost 4 am here and I didn't want to turn on the lights. I agree with the V&A's comments (I'd be a fool otherwise) on air circulation affecting the temperature in the kiln causing the two patterns. Your very attractive bowl must have been in the perfect spot in the kiln for this. Here are the excerpts:

 

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Let me know if you have trouble with these photos.

 

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Topic starter 14/12/2021 5:54 am  

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Thank you John for your very kind help.

I notice that Mr Wood only describes the oil spot formation in the glaze as being the silvery spots, whereas my spots have a copper tone. I see that in the section regarding the partridge feather formation he mentions large rust spots, but the spots on my bowl are not large and I have seen russet spots on Cizhou-type bowls being described as partridge feather pattern and the glaze on my bowl is nothing like this. One example of a Cizhou-type bowl being the one in the current Sotheby's sale,

https://www.sothebys.com/buy/b78b5bed-4557-495b-b19a-4889ef7ab0dc/lots/804c1ca2-5de4-4a11-b2ff-e6fd61821aed

I have searched online for another bowl with copper tone or rust-coloured oil spots and the only one I have found with rust-coloured spots is,

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/song-ceramics-yang-de-tang-collection-n09338/lot.94.html

But it is clear that there is quite a difference between that bowl and mine.

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Jeremy


   
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14/12/2021 11:28 am  

@jeremy 

 

Yes, I got a bit photo happy last night as I was hyped up on coffee and inadvertently included the partridge feather bits. I'm not sure what to make of the silver vs. russet variation. I'll keep looking, too.

 

Check this one out. Although the color isn't an exact match, it exhibits a similar dual effect but is reversed from yours. From Christie's: 

The current bowl's appearance is somewhere between 'silver hare's fur' and 'oil spots', and is a rare occurrence.

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5689762?fbclid=IwAR3Vm3VniNUsPJLGjszMKeHs011I0NZMEfVDH-15W-gcD3mXuoUZMtxUv_s

 

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Topic starter 14/12/2021 11:41 am  

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Hello John

Thank you for the link, it is an exquisite bowl and once again in a different league to my more modest bowl.

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Jeremy


   
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16/12/2021 10:10 am  

I've come across this one. Sale ends at DEC. 18. I'm not sure if it's cizhou or ding-type and I'm NOT sure if it's genuine or not. But it's very rare to find such a nice bowl with its original stand - so might be too good to be true? I'm not going to bid on it though. It's on sale in Japan ...

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Topic starter 16/12/2021 11:23 am  

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I notice that the 'Partridge Feather' bowl in the Echoes of Fragrance sale did quite well, but only one of the Jian bowls sold.

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16/12/2021 11:55 am  

I haven't paid much attention to that sale unfortunately but I just took a short look and noticed this marbled cup with stand. It would make a really nice companion piece to the bowl I just posted-

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/echoes-of-fragrance-evolution-of-tea-culture-from-the-tang-to-the-qing-dynasties/a-rare-marbled-clay-tea-bowl-and-stand-song

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Topic starter 18/12/2021 6:48 am  

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In regards to the bowl and stand that you posted images of, there is a similar bowl shown in Robert D Mowry's book on page 147. He mentions that other bowls with white rims and large russet splashes are in the Scheinman and the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco collections. The bowl that he shows in the book is dated as being Jin dynasty and is Cizhou-type.

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Thanks. I will see if if I can find it on that museums website. The bowl sold for very little BTW.


   
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Hello John

Below is a comparison image showing the oil spots on my tea bowl on the top and those on the most famous tea bowl at the bottom

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Jeremy

 

 


   
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Thank you for thinking of me with this photo comparison, Jeremy! I love these sorts of photos, and especially appreciate the close-up of the most famous tea bowl. Is that one in a museum collection somewhere? 

 

I will add that as someone who has no experience in this area, and thus the benefit of not initially knowing what was generally preferable, I still prefer the top one. I think it's a beautiful example of the variation within the kiln - with such variation reflected within with its beautiful oil spots and streaks forming an interesting gradient as the slope increases, and also an interesting crackle pattern in the black ground. You can almost visualize the pattern forming as it was heated. 

 

What fun!

 

 


   
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Topic starter 05/01/2022 2:20 am  

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The other Jian tea bowl is definitely in a different and superior class to my bowl and was sold by Christie's. The link to Alain.R.Truong's article about it is,

http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2016/08/24/34227196.html

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05/01/2022 7:29 am  

A bit off topic, but these lovely bowls are made again today.

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Hello Birgit

There is indeed an outstanding array of glazes in the new ones. As these are made in kilns that are fully controlled, it makes me appreciate more the skill of the potters in the Song dynasty that had to use experience and basic kilns rather than technology to produce these affects in the glaze.

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