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I have no clue what you are trying to show here ? ( I did buy a lottery ticket by the way 😀 )
@staartmees The dot pattern, The R image is a bit blurred but it looks quite similar right? Generally speaking I would expect variation in details like this but it seems identical.
I think the vase was made by a master forger probably bought the twenty century piece and has purposefully altered the vase to look authentic.
The part that stands out to me as different the most is the neck, but due to being broken it is possible that it was rotated. Also with some extra details like clouds and mountains added in, that part seems unlikely but I have seen restorers do similar things. If details were added to the neck, it would seem plausible they may have altered some other details as well. But I am still open to consider it being a different vase, even with the striking similarities.
When you first posted this I spent a while studying the two, and though there are plenty of differences, there is so much line work that matches, I don't know what to think.
It really is bizarre.
Jeremy
I have been going back and forth as well. I see little details like dots and smudges and think to myself 'no way it is different'. The neck gives me doubts, but it is still within the realms of possibility of a restoration as described earlier (due to the neck being detached/glued back on in the lamp listing). But painting extra details on the neck is quite extravagant, I have seen that kind of thing before though (often to cover certain damages or to embellish a piece). If extra details were added on the neck (and to a high standard), it would seem possible they were added elsewhere. The damages/restoration do also make sense, also the provenance of English private collection.
I will make it clear that I am cautiously remaining open minded with this.
@lotusblack I did think of the possibility that forgers might sometimes work from some kind of tracing/copying technique where even little details are the same. With this vase, I er on the side of it being authentic but with the quality of reproductions recently I would be very cautious (even with significant damages).
@elm the dot pattern looks alike indeed. But, if you look just slightly above that, the lines are completely different. So it is not the same vase IMO. But I still do not understand what you want to say with this. Do you think that somebody bought the 2 vases in the UK ( I cannot see the price that was paid), altered them and offered one of them to Rob Michiels ?
@staartmees If the vase is the same I would presume it was likely purchased, restored and then entered into auction. Something that happens all the time. The relevance is to Peters video where he floated the idea that the vase might not be authentic, a provenance trail would be helpful.
@elm the dot pattern looks alike indeed. But, if you look just slightly above that, the lines are completely different. So it is not the same vase IMO. But I still do not understand what you want to say with this. Do you think that somebody bought the 2 vases in the UK ( I cannot see the price that was paid), altered them and offered one of them to Rob Michiels ?
I think that is exactly what happened. It was professionally restored. And I think some of the differences that you're seeing, are due to the pictures not having been taken at exactly the same angles.
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