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Hi, I was just watching Peters video and thought I recognized the rouleau vase. I just wanted to add that the Kangxi rouleau vase mentioned in peters video (22:00
) seems to have been possibly bought here originally (subsequently restored, with the broken neck rotated and retouched with possibly extra details), or at least an almost identical one:
The stated provenance was 'Footnote: Provenance: An Oxfordshire country house', not that that is beyond reproach and need for further examination.
I could be wrong on it being the same vase, but I have found quite a few elements that are identical, the neck through me off a bit. I would be interested to hear others thoughts.
Link to Robs listing: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/robmichiels/catalogue-id-rob-mi10035/lot-78bb7499-0edc-48de-9631-af9b01089651
The stated provenance: 'Provenance: An English private collection.'
I have no thoughts on the other pieces mentioned, but as always it will help to have further details on the provenance.
Here's a side by side to aide the conversation:
Definitely a lot of restoration if they are the same vessel, but I agree that its the same artwork.
The drawing in the necks are different. Highlighted sections: The branches and different, and the "newer" looking one has red circular marks that the lamp does not have.
@happyholiday Yes, most specifically the neck looks quite different.
Th bits that convinced me were things like this.
But the necks design is aligned differently and possibly has some new elements (clouds?). When looking at the initial listing, the whole neck is broken off neatly around the base, perhaps it was rotated and retouched?
I am very cautious about saying they are the same without being 100 percent certain.
On the other side of the Robs one you see the same branch formation:
But when looking to the side there are clouds that are not present in the lamp one. This alone gives a lot of doubt as to whether they are the same. But if you carefully look for small details around the vase (little enamel dots etc, not to be confused with dirt) they are seemingly identical. If it is the same vase, the clouds and some other details may have been added. When looking closely at the Robs vase around the base of the neck, it does seem to have restoration to the base of the neck which would be consistent with a possible re-alignment of the neck and retouching. I am still uncertain, its just the small little details being the same that draws my attention.
But if you carefully look for small details around the vase (little enamel dots etc, not to be confused with dirt) they are seemingly identical.
Zoomed here for example
It sure looks like the same vase. The supposed "C hairline" is clearly a repair, there is even filled areas. In my book that is dishonesty in the description from RM. I bet that a serious inspection of the neck would also reveal the repair there. :/
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@elm
I agree with you, but if you look at the UV light pictures, it is clear that there has been an application of filler for missing pieces in some places, I've included a pictures with it marked in red.
IMO, that moves it from just a hairline to a serious repair, but opinions on that might differ.
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The joint in the neck is a 20th century feature I own several like this.
@elm I think this vertical line is a drawn line, the corner of the building and not a hairline. Also, photo R is zoomed in more than C, given this, the red leaves frame right of R should be out of frame. The spacing of the tree to the corner is close but not identical. Perspective from differing angles, wouldn't account for this difference.
@happyholiday The circle at the bottom of the line is not meant to draw attention to the drawn line. The circle was meant to draw attention to the seemingly identical dots on either vase. The image quality degraded once uploaded so it is hard to see in that image, but if you look at the more recent image that I have uploaded above it provides a better look at the dots I meant to draw attention to. The other circled parts are meant to draw attention to seemingly identical anomalies like smudges and glaze gaps etc. Though you might be correct about the tree/corner, lighting and perspective can make things look a lot different.
There were many many vases made with this design and shape. Even when many of them of course did not survive , the chance that this is the same vase is as big as me winning the lottery.
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