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Topic starter 30/09/2023 9:08 am  

Just want to share a recent find that I picked up in a house clearance shop in London, UK and was sold to me as ‘costume jewellery’.

The pink stone measures 4.2 cm in length and is quite thick and weighs a total of 38 grams.

Could this possibly be 19th century and have been made in an imperial workshop?

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30/09/2023 10:35 am  

New made


   
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30/09/2023 3:08 pm  

Not imperial.... definitely later 20th Century.

Still very nice...i like the elephant.

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Topic starter 30/09/2023 3:49 pm  

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Thanks Mark, can I just confirm that this comment was intended for this post? I'm no expert in Chinese iconography but this pendant does not depict an elephant or anything that even looks remotely like an elephant. Quite confused by your comment to be honest.


   
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30/09/2023 4:24 pm  

@tony-brams,

Hi Tony,

Yes i am referring to your pendant you bought.

I think this is a elephant head?

Mark

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Topic starter 30/09/2023 4:50 pm  

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Hi Mark, that depicts a bat, not an elephant.


   
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Topic starter 01/10/2023 12:51 pm  

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Thanks Brian, may I ask what indicates that this pendant is 'new made'?


   
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02/10/2023 12:47 am  

@tony-brams modern tool marks when ever you see cut lines that look like razor wire it’s modern tool marks old carvings are smooth and clean

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Topic starter 02/10/2023 1:51 am  

@lotusblack I’m holding this piece in my hand and I can’t see these razor wire cut lines that you are describing?

 

The lines are actually beautifully smooth:

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Perhaps you’re confusing the internal inclusions in the stone with rough edges to the carved lines?

 


   
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Topic starter 02/10/2023 2:41 pm  

Some of you may know of Alexander Zacke of 'Galerie Zacke', he has seen this pendant and had stated the following:

"Auspicious “Bat and Double Gourd” pink tourmaline pendant, China c. 1860-1870, probably Imperial workshops in Suzhou. Value 6,000/8,000 US."

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02/10/2023 2:48 pm  

@tony-brams it’s my opinion and I’m ok keeping my opinion as stated. It’s a modern piece.


   
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Topic starter 02/10/2023 2:58 pm  

@lotusblack It’s ok to admit when you’re wrong- I’m wrong all the time.

I’ve submitted this pendant to Sotheby’s and Bonhams in London and I’ll post here what they say.


   
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02/10/2023 3:43 pm  

@tony-brams I hope it turns out for you good luck.


   
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Topic starter 02/10/2023 5:45 pm  

I've found this tourmaline snuff bottle that has many stylistic similarities in the carving and subject matter if anyone would like to dig a little deeper with me-

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Notice the similarities in the depiction of the leaves, the style of the eyes and ears of the squirrels, and the similar style of bat on the side.

Possibly the same maker as my pendant? Or at least very heavily influenced?

The description in the listing is also a very interesting read regarding the search for early court tourmalines.


   
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Topic starter 03/10/2023 2:40 am  

The areas of similarity:

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 The shape and design of the leaves

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The relief veins

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The shape of the eyes and ears 

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The pose and design of bat, with dashed line on its back...


   
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