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I think it is very shiny, too, Brian. I thought I had written that but it has disappeared. I probably pressed delete, I find typing on my phone fiddly.
Thanks for the new pictures. This is called "Jun Red" in Chinese. (Not the same Jun kiln from the Song Dynasty of course, just the same character.) It was an early 18th c. JDZ invention. They used lead to make the glaze extremely glossy. It also hides scratches well. You can see the gloss on this one:
Here's the foot:
It's dated as "mid-Qing", but sorry only in Chinese.
(@webboy) That amount of damage on the foot is normal. I don't really see anything in the pictures that says it's not 19th century, but the catch is that they're still made like this today. You'd want to see it in person to be sure. Or else trust the dealer.
Hi Martin -
Thanks for the additional images ...
As with Tim and Craig, the size, proportions and shape would indicate this could be a mid/late 19th example ...
However, as Brian and Julia mentioned, the glaze does appear rather 'shiny' and highly reflective - personally I would want to see/handle to confirm it's not a modern reproduction ...
Stuart
Hi Martin -
Live from Bonhams KB London …
For comparison:- Lot 187, a very large vase H. 58.5cm, attributed to 19th C in catalogue …
Stuart
Here is my copper red very large monochrome I can’t pin a date because the glaze stops at edge of base was only chipped at one spot.
Generally I keep away from commenting on monochrome wares as the copies are very well done and difficult to distinguish.
However @lotusblack yours looks great and authentic. Its also earlier i believe than the other one in the discussion.
Mark
@imperialfinegems I got this one in Aspen Colorado from a millionaire estate about 10 years ago the owner said she didn’t want to hall it to the thrift store I think I paid $150 at the time. Another thing is this pot was coiled you can see reflection the coiled are present it’s also very heavy
Hi Brian,
Well worth having it appraised by Peter.
Have you had it checked out by Peter/other?
Mark
@imperialfinegems never had it looked at because it’s so big and like many monochromes I own it’s a difficult area. I did have one person tell me the base was darkened by the wood kiln that the vase was so big they probably had to over fire the lot. He said had the foot been white like smaller pieces he would had been concerned etc electric kiln. Also not sure what the numbers are they don’t look like a date
Hey Brian @lotusblack,
With the usual caveats that these are especially tricky to verify, I think this could be 19th century, possibly earlier as Mark suggested. It looks like the glaze control was better, stopping neatly above the foot. It wasn't filed down was it? This small area here looked like it was possibly filed, but you'd need to look closely to tell.
Aside from that, try using a loupe to examine the unglazed edge of the foot. I bet you'll see some tiny "micro" scratches, maybe some little nicks and dings. Those would be very good signs of age.
@craig thanks I do see that the glaze in areas there it hit the foot was cleaned up with horizontal file mark there are also micro scratches and dings but the bottom was not filed all around
I did find this comparable after Mark got me thinking it’s identical.
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