You can google it.

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Dear Xin:

Thank you for taking the time to explain this in so much detail. I'm not really surprised about your dating of my vase. I rather like the color and the carving seems quite good. I'm pleased too that you think it is jade and not something else. It's clear though that buying jade is not for amateurs. It's obvously a much more difficult field than that of Chinese porcelains!

Regards,

Errol

Historical methods and Hetian jade reference pictures.

Dear Xin:

Thanks - this is absolutely fascinating. It would, of course, help if I could understand a little Chinese! 

As regards the monetary value of jade items, perhaps you and Mark could both comment. I would assume that hand-carved antique pieces would and do command a much higher price than similarly-sized contemporary pieces done with machines such as my vase? I would imagine too that the quality and color of the jade also determine the price? It would seem that the situation might be similar to that of diamonds and other precious stones, but not to the same extent as is the case with jade.

I recall one jade vase up for auction on eBay that Peter recently highlighted on a weekly video. The vase was not large  but achieved about $28,000 in price. However, it was an old hand-carved item.

It would have been better if this discussion of jade had been in a separate thread so it could have been used for reference purposes. I found Xin's comments to be invaluable and it's unfortunate that they are buried in this congenial but less important thread where no one will be able to find them again.

Best regards,

Errol

I wonder if Peter can move them into a new thread on this subject?

Hi Xin,Errol and others,

Interesting thread and comments therein.

Firstly the pictures that I posted are very low quality and thus do not show the real colour of the Jade.

I can assure readers that the censer, mountain and snuff bottle and others have been examined by a gemologist.

Xin mentions in his blog regarding the censer that this fictional character did not appear before the qing dynasty. So I am a little bit confused. Did they appear in the qing period or is this a 20th century mythical.

The colour of the .censer is more in lines of the second row first on the left.

Picture of censer is looking down and not level eye. It has the 2 foo chasing a ball/each other. Dragon/lion handles with 3 masked feet.

The snuff bottle is not glass! Once again the low quality picture makes it look Like glass. 

Xin mentions Russian jade. In fact it is called Siberian jade and was found in about 1900. It is a very rich and bright in colour and has the black speckle marking. 

You mag recall a couple of weeks ago when a member posted some pics of a # of Jade items selling at a deceased estate sale.

All sold well. Xin thought they were ming/qing. I thought late qing. Peter thought mostly 20th century.

We all agreed that said items were genuine just different time frame's.

I would state that it is difficult to determine one way or another especially if the pic is only one and low quality. For myself if I saw the pictures that were sent to me for the first time I would probably dismiss them as fake.

I am very interested in a Skype.

Mark

I have some really high priced items in thrift stores. most not Chinese , but I find a lot of high end antiques . I have collected a dining room by H Krugg with six Windsor chairs , vintage pub tables , bouillotte lamps , a bronze figurines lamp from Austria  etc  . . Right now there is a huge trend of people donating their parents estate. Young people don't want antiques so their throwing out Gramma,s  Chinese vases along with her slippers  

  So my answer can I find treasure in thrift stores is yes .   Most shoppers in thrift stores  just assume all the Chinese  vases are fake and they sell for around 5 to 10 dollars . Thrift store employees are on average not trained in antiques especially Chinese or Japanese .  .  In all fairness I live in a wealthy town Burlington On and its on the outskirts of other wealthy areas . So my  chances are higher than most.   

Hi Debra,

most thrift stores in the UK now employ someone to go through the donations and research the antique and unusual items before pricing them. This is great for the charity because it raises more money. It does mean however that fewer gems make it onto the shelves at bargain prices. But it does happen from time to time. 

When I visit the thrift stores, I often see local antiques dealers there which means there must be bargains to be had, otherwise they wouldn’t bother? 

Having said that, I dare say it is only worthwhile if you’re interested in all sorts of antiques. Looking solely for antique Chinese porcelain would mean many unrewarding journeys! But maybe it’s different in the US?

Nic

Dear Errol,

About the price situation  now in China is very strange. Raw stones of good quality are more expensive than carved pieces. New jades (of good quality) are more expensive than old jades. Most rich people like white Hetian jade. They rule the market. Old jades are favorites of collectors outside China. About the price it’s very difficult to define.

Dear Mark,

I gave my feedback on your items just from the pictures I saw. I will trust you if you tell me they are ok. No offence.

About the Siberian jade, Chinese call them Russian jade, that’s all. I don’t own examples. I know they are whiter than Hetian mutton fat type, but without “beauty” of Hetian jade.

It’s not hard to determine the age of jade. It’s hard to determine just from pictures.

I’m still learning new things every day. We are not absolute experts, even Peter. For many things Peter has very good eye. I like him.

But he doesn’t know everything and he also makes mistakes due to lack of knowledge and experience just like us. Your age has nothing to do with your experience and knowledge.  

A famous jade expert in China Mr. Wang Jingzhi who holds seminars in China. He told us about history of jade, each jade sources of different era, technics of production and so on.  For each dating there is an explanation.

For example have ever ask yourself about what is the main difference between Ming and Qing jades? What is the main difference between ancient jades from Northern China and Southern China?

If you know the history, that’s not hard.

It doesn’t  make sense to discuss about your collections here. Because from the pictures it’s too difficult.

I will be very glad to have a skype with you. I will write you Emails.

Xin

Dear Michael,

your dragon vase is Guangxu and even with the damage, for 5 bucks it is a real steal!

Dear Mark and Xin, jade is a totally obscure reign to me, I do not buy them because I know nothing about them; too dangerous.

Finding good items at flea markets is possible but harder day after day. Every Sunday I go to a flea market, there are many here around, but the results depend from the day.

For example, at one of the best local flea markets, which is held at the first Sunday of the Month, I found nothing last month while last Sunday I found a couple of old glass snuff bottles, a big ko-kutani bowl and a small, probably late Ming Dehua Guanyin. All at low prices. Lucky day?

Giovanni

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Dear Michael,

your dragon vase is Guangxu and even with the damage, for 5 bucks it is a real steal!

Dear Mark and Xin, jade is a totally obscure reign to me, I do not buy them because I know nothing about them; too dangerous.

Finding good items at flea markets is possible but harder day after day. Every Sunday I go to a flea market, there are many here around, but the results depend from the day.

For example, at one of the best local flea markets, which is held at the first Sunday of the Month, I found nothing last month while last Sunday I found a couple of old glass snuff bottles, a big ko-kutani bowl and a small, probably late Ming Dehua Guanyin. All at low prices. Lucky day?

Giovanni

Dear Gionanni,

Please show me the Dehua Guanyin. I'm very curious. Thank you.

Xin

Dear Xin,

please give me time to take the pictures and I will contact you.

Giovanni