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On a recent thread it was mentioned that the chance of finding a real treasure is close to zero percent? I will disagree somewhat as I really enjoy the thrill of hunting at local Thrift Shops and Antique Malls. My thought is that all of the local antique dealers in my area are not familiar with Chinese and Japanese porcelain and specialize in American antique items. I have been able to find good buys at $5 and below at these shops as long as you consider that for me any item older than 100 years is an antique. Here is an example of something I found for $4 at a local thrift shop and actually there were two more that I purchased for $3 each. These were not rare items, but it proves that these can be found and I encourage any new collectors as well as experienced to enjoy the hunt.
George
Agree with George's post. All it takes is a very keen. The 3 pictures are of a Doucai chicken cup with gilt rim and dates from the Tongzhi period. Purchased at a junk shop for $4.
The above picture is probably the first jade item I bought way back in 1983. Large 19th Century hetian jade censer with foo dogs and dragon handles,9.5 inches and weight of 2.1 kilograms. Bought that at a distressed auction for $500.
Sorry the pictures are not good they are from my phone. Would appreciate any thoughts on the chicken cup. I forgot to mention that the porcelain is very translucent.
Mark
I have picked up some good things, too. Two examples: a beautiful Qianlong plate for £2 and a wonderful Kangxi/Yongzheng tea pot (damaged) with presentoir for £8.99 that I sold, reluctantly, for over £550.
However, I have also (especially in my first flush of bargain-hunting fervour) purchased a load of rubbish on the off-chance - I regard this as a donation to the charity I purchased the items from, so not wasted money, but it is still money gambled and lost. That happens far more often than finding true treasures and the amount spent, could perhaps have been better used on something guaranteed authentic from an auction house.
Having said that, hunting is such fun! There are lots of lovely items out there and as long as you are not expecting to make a huge profit every day (if ever!) and are careful not to just buy everything, then you will find something old and interesting, even if it isn't terribly valuable.
Julia
There is always a chance of finding something amazing. I recently posted a plate with pumpkins and a large butterfly, that was identified as probably Xianfeng. That is probably one of my better Chinese finds around $5. I also found this really pretty famille verte revival vase that unfortunately has a crack in the rim for around $5 (not a 100% sure on the dating on that one, will post it fully in the identify forum someday)
My best find is still something very non-asian. A pair of antique Tiffany 18k gold cuff links with green tourmalines/sapphires from around 1890-1900. They cost me $2.
So yeah, it is still possible to make amazing finds, IMO.
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Hi all:
George's plate is quite lovely and a good find. I don't want to start another discussion, but can we agree that it is Rose Medallion if we define that as "Rose Medallion: Alternating panels of people, fruits, flowers, insects, birds and fish"?
Mark's censer is really beautiful too and certainly worth the $500. How old do you think it is Mark?
Regards,
Errol
Above are pics of a Fabergé Paris porcelain lidded container.
It did have the original # inventory on it but the person I bought it off ripped it off.
Fabergé well known and very famous jewellers throughout Russia and the world. The two sons set up shop in Paris @ 1920.
The above is a known example of the red dot on the forehead. Not sure why?
Errol the jade censer probably dates to the second half of the 19th century in my opinion. The hetian jade used is of high quality especially with the lid as there are no russet marking on said. There are some markings on the base.
Glad you like it. Years ago you could find treasures like this for next to nothing.
Have had a # of people wanting to buy it from me but as it has been with me a very long time u have become somewhat attached to it.
Have seen similar sell for well in excess of US$45k.
I do like the Tiffany cuff links.
Mark
George‘s plate is a classic end of 19th century rose medallion. Very small people and no more gold in the hair (at least as far as I can see on my tiny screen).
As for me, I live far from flea markets and charity or antique shops, therefore my bargains are mostly from Ebay and in a slightly higher price range. One of my best bargains was a Tongzhi Peranakan kamcheng in perfect condition that cost me 55 Euro.
Mark, could the guy on the green container be the king of Thailand?
Birgit
Hi shin,
No the portrait is that of Pu Yi. I have seen in the past copies of same made in HK. The glasses give it way
Apparently very collectable. Don't know why pink background with a red dot though I suspect back then he was a Playboy and a recluse with hint of mystic about him. If you Google him you may see a portrait similar to the post.
I can see this is going to be a well posted blog. Good to see some nice buys being posted.
Mark
Agree with George's post. All it takes is a very keen. The 3 pictures are of a Doucai chicken cup with gilt rim and dates from the Tongzhi period. Purchased at a junk shop for $4.
The above picture is probably the first jade item I bought way back in 1983. Large 19th Century hetian jade censer with foo dogs and dragon handles,9.5 inches and weight of 2.1 kilograms. Bought that at a distressed auction for $500.
Sorry the pictures are not good they are from my phone. Would appreciate any thoughts on the chicken cup. I forgot to mention that the porcelain is very translucent.
Mark
Dear Mark,
Now I find your post. The chicken cup is of Tongzhi period for domestic markt. It's not doucai, doucai means contour drawn with underglaze blue and inside the contour filled with colour. It's Fencai , and so-called Tongzhi Famille rose. That means colour dircetly painted on glaze without white colour as background. There are a lot of these cups, not expensive. But nice buy for you.
The jade censer is not of 19th c. The style is totally wrong. I'm very sure about that. ?
Regards,
Xin
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Hello Mark and Birgit:
Yes that could well be Puyi or the Xuantong Emperor (1906 - 1967) (see photograph below), the subject of Bertolucci's wonderful movie "The Last Emperor." The piece is interesting but, as you indicate Mark, Carl Faberge died in Switzerland in 1920 and his sons took over the business in Paris. Faberge was the jeweller to both Tsar Alexander III and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia and among many other items manfactured in his St. Petersburg workshop there were the two Imperial eggs that were presented each Easter to the Dowager Empress Marie and to the Empress Alexandra by Tsar Nicholas II. The tradition was started by Alexander III. My favorite Imperial egg is the Lilies of the Valley Egg presented to the Empress Alexandra in 1898 (see photograph). The enamels in your piece Mark are very different to other Faberge enamels.
Birgit is correct too that there was a connection between the Siamese Royal Court and Carl Faberge. King Chulalongkorn of Siam (1853-1910) was friendly with the Russian Imperial family and accumulated a large collection of Faberge items.
Regards,
Errol
Hi Mark and Xin:
Mark first for you what does the word "hetian" indicate when applied to jade? The reason I ask is that I once won on eBay what was described as a "Hetian Jade" recumbent horse on a custom-made wooden stand. It was spinach jade. Anyway it arrived with one leg broken off and I returned it and got a full refund, but I had no luck in determining what "Hetian" meant.
Xin when you indicate that Mark's censer is not 19th century are you suggesting that it is a 20th century jade item? If so, what is it about the style that suggests a later period to you? I'd like to know purely from an educational point of view. As we have discussed before, jade items are extremely difficult to date. I have a jade vase about 5" in height that I won on an eBay auction (see photographs below). I think it was described as 19th century, but my feeling is that it is a 20th century item. I would appreciate both your opinions on that!
Kindest regards,
Errol
Hi Errol, Xin and others,
The reason I believe xin hints at 20th century is the dragon handles and style therein.
Hetian jade was mined at Xinjiang and is known for its strong colour and greasy lustre.
Perhaps a better description would be 19/20th century. The censer lacks any modern drill marks. Modern drill came into being in @ 1900 and by 1930's were widely used.
Mark
A large late qing period scholars rock. Approximately 14" high
Above is a white jade snuff bottle with coral top. Very well rounded on the inside. Measuring about 3"-3.5"
Mark
I agree with George and Julia. There are amazing finds still out there! It’s true that you may have 1000:1 chance but the hunt is the best bit! Spending £5 on something in the hope that it is something special is different to spending £500? Even if you spend a few hundred pounds on chance items over the course of a year, it’s still a cheaper hobby than, say, playing golf!
Nic
Dear Errol,
Just like Mark said, Hetian jade comes from Xinjiang province in China. There is a region called Hetian. Since Han dynasty (around this time) jade from this region is used. Mostly jade stones from the river. There is a mountain called Tianshan – Tian mountain. After Qing dynasty the jade mine in this mountain began to be the main source due to modern mining technology. I forgot the details, somehow like that. The jade stones from the river are recognized as the hardest type of Hetian jade. Because this river stones came also from the mountain. Only the hardest part of big hetian rocks from the mountain remains at the end in the river after erosion of million years.
Nowadays hetian jade in China doesn’t mean jade only from Hetian in Xianjiang. Similar jades from Russia and Korea are also called hetian jade mineralogically. But they are different. Hetian jade has very characteristic structures. I will make some pictures and send to you. Russian jade has “snow flake” in the structure and so on. Sorry It’s a lot to explain. I can only give an small overview. There are white, celadon, green and dark green jades. There are also jades from Canada and New Zealand which are mostly green. The scholar rock from Mark in my eyes could be a green jade from Canada. I’m not sure, just my opinion according to one photo.
About the censer. First the style is not correct, it has a fictional style which you can’t find on piece before Qing. Second you can’t see the structure in the jade. Mark has a bad camera, so that’s not easy to see the true colour of the jade. The jade in the photo looks like white glass for me. So I’m not sure if it’s jade or something else. It could be product after 1950s. Traditional methods and tools were replaced by modern technics around 1960s or 70s.
Your celadon jade vase looks like a vintage style jade for export between 20th c-21th c. From your pictures it should be Hetian jade from Xinjiang.
I can’t explain the details. But I can tell you, if you have seen so many pieces in the museum, on auctions and so on. You can see the difference. I lost money too during my learning process. Every time you learn something. I have a friend who is a big jade collector and dealer. So I learned a lot from him.
If it's possible, we could skype with each other in the future, also together with Mark.
Dear Mark, if you want we can also do that.
Xin
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