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Dear Weiandmengjie,
I fully agree with you about the bubbles. It is even not necessary to try to imitate the supposed old bubbles. I am not a potter, have no experience at all, but the following two pictures alone, which I have already shown, are telling everything. Both belongs from the same small bowl bought as a souvenir celadon bowl at the shop of the Shanghai museum. Anyone who defend the theory of the bubbles will think that they belong from a genuine piece. Small, big, casually placed etc.
Certainly, being a tourist piece, care has not been made for reproducing the pattern of the bubbles, it is logical.
Giovanni
Hello again,
Many thanks for the extra information and photos, all much appreciated.
So it must be assumed that the manufacturer of my bowl has used a thick glaze and a kiln with an erratic heat supply. Obviously nobody would go to the trouble of faking the irregular bubbles produced by a wood fired kiln (and bother to use a stilt for the foot) for an item that has a shape so far removed from any known early example. I guess this firing technique must still be fairly standard practice for some potters in the Far East?
I can just about see the bubbles with my reading glasses, it's like you're looking through them at the decoration. On a later piece with thin glaze (19thC) there are also bubbles but even and very small, really only visible with specs and a lens.
I'm going to study some underglaze blue on 18thC German porcelain tomorrow, it's becoming an obsession;)
Thanks again, Carl
Dear Carl,
you are of course free of thinking what you want, but in my opinion you are wasting time if you go toward studying bubbles.
Think about these two questions.
- What is your bowl, is it a modern bowl imitating some classical type of Chinese ceramic? For sure not, it is very recent, imitating nothing in particular. It may be just a studio piece, or a utilitarian piece, I don’t know. But in any case, do you think that who made it took the trouble of arranging an “erratic heat supply”? Why that, if it was not trying to copy a well known type? There is no reason for that in my opinion.
- Look at the two pictures that I have shown. They belongs from the same piece, with the same enlargement. Are them a typical example for those who believe in the theory of the bubbles? Yes, for sure. But the problem is that that bowl is a touristy grade object, mass produced to be sold in tourist stores. Do you think that for an industrial produced bowl like that they took care in providing an “erratic heat supply”? For which purpose?
What is erratic is the formation of the bubbles, that evidently depends from many reasons. I have Ming bowls with an even pattern of myriad of minute bubbles, all of the same size.
I told you that at my beginning I too was attracted by this feature. But then after seeing modern pieces that according to the theory should insted be old, and old pieces showing the opposite, I did stop immediately.
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
Many thanks for your reply.
It looks like I didn't explain myself very well in my last post - apologies.
I was trying to say exactly what you have said in your first bullet point. Therefore where was this bowl made? Are there still potters in China using traditional methods or is it from somewhere else altogether?
As a beginner in learning about Chinese porcelain I'm also now rather confused - if the bubbles vary so much from piece to piece (including over different sections of the same piece as your photos show) they are obviously something that must be ignored altogether. But if that is so why would anyone take the trouble to try and fake irregular bubbles (as mentioned in weiandmengjie's post)? Just to avoid any misunderstanding this is a genuine question from someone trying to learn - I'm not trying to be clever or trip anyone up:)
Regards, Carl
Your bowl does not strike me as Chinese - the decoration and shape are not immediately identifiable as Chinese , but it could be from another Asian or south east asian country , where any number of small craft potteries exist , and there is some influence from Chinese porcelain.
tam
Hello again,
That sounds about right, many new blue and white wares seem to be made in Thailand. A perplexing item - I haven't yet found anything similar despite trawling the net.
Thanks all, Carl
Very old thread - but I do not agree that bubbles in a glaze, should be totally ignored. When bubbles are taken into consideration together with everything else when identifying Chinese antique porcelain - I would like to think so that in such case, bubbles they do play its part as "additional puzzle piece".
Audrius
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