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Topic starter 28/04/2021 9:35 am  

I usually take better pics... If these are insufficient, I will take some in natural light. Or maybe someone knows what this is. I think the unglazed head is probably a good clue, but I haven’t found a match yet. It looks a lot like Shou Lao, but they seem to always have a staff in one hand. Am not even sure if its Chinese or Japanese. Shiwan? It does seem to have genuine age to my eye, but I wouldn’t put that in writing 😋 Any opinions welcome.     Thanks, Todd

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28/04/2021 9:40 am  

Not sure Todd. But it's not Shoulou.

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28/04/2021 6:25 pm  

Hey Todd,

Hope all is well with you..
Sadly can’t be of much help other than saying I believe it would be Chinese, as the Japanese ones tend to have a more closed/covered base (typically). 

I see these listed online by sellers as all sorts; so I look forward to hearing what members with experience in this niche might be able to provide in order to help us all learn.

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28/04/2021 9:36 pm  

Hello Todd,

Think south China Cantonese Shiwan or Shekwan I have noticed some dealers are starting to use the Cantonese spelling maybe to differentiate older items from the Airport or gift shop type mud men that are everywhere. Think you figure has some age could be 19thc or very early 20th. However think it is Flower Pot Guild made rather than from a studio. Cant help with the who sorry can't work out if he is holding a wine pot or money bag don't think it is a gourd. Probably made for village or home temple or even export for somewhere in the region. There is a Shiwan collectors group on face book they are friendly and helpful. There is a great book out published by the Chinese Cultural Center San Francisco, Shirwan Ceramics beauty color and passion although it suffers a little as bases are not shown but has a great marks section showing noted makers.

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Topic starter 29/04/2021 12:35 am  

Thanks so much guys! 

I am very well, Jrn. Hope all is well with you.

Michael, thanks for the information. I’ve been doing a lot of googling with Shiwan. The face on the one I have doesn’t seem to match with anything I am seeing. They all are glazed/painted. Maybe I just need to stumble across the right one. I am not sure what he is holding either. I’ve noticed this type usually holds the item with one hand. This fellow is cradling the item with two...not that I know what that indicates. His face is also upturned...to the Gods? Don’t know. I will go over and look into that fb group, thanks for the heads up 🙂 

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29/04/2021 2:53 am  

Hello Todd

If Japanese I would go for Oribe, if you intend to give it a wash post some pictures it might help. Clay looks white, if it's light and soft could be Raku as well but less likely. Japanese figurines of Edo/ early Meiji period tend to have hollow bases.


   
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Topic starter 29/04/2021 3:44 am  
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Thanks Spartakos,

Cleaned and with better light. Some dirt came off, but it looked dirtier than it was. My 1st thought was also Oribe. It does have that look, with the green glaze. My initial search was Oribe, but only found a candlestick or two that didn’t have a major resemblance to this one.  Raku hadn’t occurred to me, they did make figures. Am still leaning Chinese, but I will do some further researching in theses areas also. Thanks, my friend.

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30/04/2021 12:08 am  

Hello Todd,

Not sure where you have been searching for Shiwan figures, the most defining thing about Shiwan figures is the fact the face's are left unglazed. This is deeply held cultural trait of the region to do with masculinity, female figures which are much rarer do have a glazed or white painted face which is supposed to represent femininity. Looking at the new pictures you have uploaded the seemingly white body to the ceramic is unusual for Shiwan and might point to another place of origin, the construction how ever is more typical of Shiwan if you decide to ask the Facebook group would be interested in hearing their thoughts.  Still can't see what he is holding looking at the new pic's could be a peach or a basket. Good luck with your searching.

Cheers

Michael 

 

 


   
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Topic starter 30/04/2021 3:00 am  

Ah yes, you are right Michael. They are mostly unglazed. I guess I meant to indicate the stark difference in appearance. I can’t seem to find one with a face that looks like this one. As you say,it may not be Shiwan after all. I joined the tao Shiwan groups, just got an acceptance email from one. I will post, then update any results here. 🙂 

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Topic starter 02/05/2021 3:43 am  

The facebook group seems stumped too. Thinking of sending to Peter...

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02/05/2021 9:12 am  

The face is powerfully expressive. I think it is a beautiful piece and I hope you are able to learn more about it.


   
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Topic starter 08/09/2021 9:24 am  

This popped up on ebay last week. Very similar in many ways. The seller thought Japanese.

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08/09/2021 10:30 am  

Your piece is better, so expressive, as John said and I too think your piece is Chinese. If you send to Peter, kindly let us know the results. Found any fabulous Noritake? Sharon


   
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Topic starter 09/09/2021 8:27 pm  

Hi Sharon,

I’ve been busy lately, no time to search out anything new. Thanks for asking 🙂

 

 

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