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So I picked this plate up on ebay because I like the colors, and at 12" not that small. It was listed as Chinese but I am think Japanese late Edo early Meiji. Others here are much more attuned to this area so I figured I should post it. Also I am not sure what style it is but it reminds me of the Kakiemon style.
Anyways, just looking for insight, and any info really, the pictures are not mine but when it arrives I will post better ones if need be.
Thanks,
Jeremy
In my opinion Japanese and Meiji period.
Mark
Thanks Mark,
Out of curiosity is there a style I should look into for this type of decoration, that you know of? I mean there seems to be a few different overglaze styles used during that time, and I haven't quite found a plate that matches up.
Cheers,
Jeremy
The glaze is completely wrong for kakiemon.
I have seen some similar, however vague, but perhaps in the style and manner of koransha.
Mark
That is really nice. I can see why it makes you think of Kakiemon, the colours and use of space are definitely reminiscent of that style. Technical aspects like glaze aside, I find it hard to associate Kakiemon with somethjng like a money sack decoration. I find their decoration more subtle, if you see what I mean.
The figures look quite Chinese, especially the hands and red outlines, maybe that is why it was described as being from there? It may be that which makes Mark think of Koransha?
Other than that, I can't add anything. An interesting piece.
The figures and styles look kakiemon but the glaze is all wrong.
I thought in the style and manner of koransha as they did do a lot of similar styles. Of course there were numerous others kilns coping or doing their own attributes of sorts to both kakiemon and the style of the dish in question.
Here is one recently sold on eBay by JHT.
Mark
Hi Jeremy,
I agree with Mark, its not Kakiemon, colors are not quite right. Meiji seems right. Very nice dish, quite colorful. A nice Arita dish in my opinion.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
I agree; I don't think Kakiemon either, as I said the colours and spacing are similar but I have never seen a kakiemon piece with this kind of imagery.
Yes, definitely Arita, but interesting design. The eyes on the Koransha piece Mark posted are very similar. Also, this plate seems to have several symbols such as the cranes, the money bag but what does the lady with the fish mean and what is the man holding? A mallet and double gourd?
Hi Julia,
The lady with the fish struck me also. I can’t remember seeing that before. But now I am wondering if that is a man. Do I see a beard? But a man with a fan, holding it like that? I don’t know. I think this might be a case of a stolen fish 😆
Agree, the faces on Mark’s example look very close.
take it with a grain of salt
I must say one thing I love about this forum is going to bed with questions floating around in my head, and waking up to an active debate/ information exchange...
Julia,
When I first saw it, I couldn't place the decoration mostly because of the man with a fish under his arm. I must say I normally shy away from Japanese pieces, but this one was so lively in its telling a story (one that admittedly I don't know). I didn't think it was the right decoration and the glaze was off for Kakiemon, but it was the only over-glaze style that I had as a reference point in my limited Japanese porcelain knowledge. I have since started looking at Arita examples and though I haven't found any quite like this I think its a good area to pursue.
It is an interesting piece to say the least.
Mark,
Thank you for the Koransha example, I have never heard of that, and the faces are quite similar. I have poked around and found a few enameled Fukagawa plates but not in the same palette. This plate should make an interesting study piece for me, as I normally don't pursue Japanese pieces like this, but have always wanted to learn more.
Todd,
I like to think it is the case of a stolen fish, having had someone steal a rockfish out of my cooler last year, I wish this is how artfully it had gone down. I am looking into Arita variants now, and not that I have found anything that specifically matches quite right, I have found a few in the same palette, and decoratively similar. When I find something that fits it well I will certainly post it.
Thank you all!
This has given me a lot to search for.
I am glad I went out on a limb with this, as I normally wouldn't have, I really quite like it.
Cheers,
Jeremy
With more time to ponder, I have a better (although unproven) theory. I think it may be a man dressing in disguise as a woman in order to steal the fish! If so, this charger just became a lot more interesting to me. That would be quite a depiction to have on an antique dish! 😀
take it with a grain of salt
P.S. My pal Google showed me a painting of dancers doing a parody of Ebisu and Daikoku, maybe your plate is two actors. Sharon
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