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I came across this interesting vase however I am not sure about the dating.
Could anyone more experienced help with that please
Thanks
Actually here is a decent example of an English delft ware vase in the Ming style.
Hi -
Chinese, late Ming Chongzhen - early Qing Shunzhi periods, mostly produced for ‘export’ to Europe ...
141 of these baluster, octagonal jars/covers, all decorated with very similar motifs of white lotus sprays reserved on blue ground to shoulder and downward pointing plantain leafs to lower base, but the main body with scatted flower sprays, were recovered from the ‘Hatcher wreak’, dated to 1443-46 ...
I will see if I can find some images to compare tomorrow ...
Stuart
Good thing I ordered my Hatcher Cargo book the other day.... nice call, I assumed the Ming export pieces wouldn't have that many glaze voids. Lots to learn.
Jeremy
Hello Siseno,
Is it my imagination or can I see a mark to the base that round shape close to the center. Might just be random scratches I am wrongly seeing.
Cheers
Michael
Hey guys,
Thank you all for helping out. My initial thought was Ming but I had few doubts.
Dear Michael I am not sure if you are speaking about the merchant's label? But I could not see any Mark on the base.
Hi -
Attached images for comparison:-
1, Large vase/jar, eight sided and octagonal neck, H. 30cm, with similar compositions to the pieces posted, No 248 in ‘Chinese Blue and White Ceramics’ publication of an exhibition held at National Museum, Singapore, 1978 ...
2, Group of pieces from the Hatcher junk in Christie’s warehouse, Amsterdam, prior to auction, showing similar jars with flower sprays to main body ...
Jeremy@jbeer2121 is correct in saying Delft copies of such are known, but the painting style, blue tone and glaze on these is markedly different ...
Stuart
Dear Siseno,
I fully agree with Stuart (of course! 😊).
Do you have that vase or are you watching it? If you have it, what is there on the mouth lip? There is perhaps a metal; container inserted in the avse?
The base should be white, the brown that we see in the pictures looks dirty and I would clean it if it were mine.
I have a similar one.
Giovanni
Those pieces from the Hatcher cargo are they worth more or less because they are from a wreck? Sharon
Hi Sharon -
This would depend on a number of factors including:-
Overall condition ie: any damage, degradation of cobalt/glaze tones, vessel shape/rarity, painting style, overall composition/motifs used and if original Christie’s auction label still attached ...
I have seen pieces from this cargo with damage and/or significant glaze/cobalt degradation, yet others which are pristine, seemingly appearing as if they have just come out of the kiln ...
These variations are due to how the pieces were stack, packaged and stored during transport, how the ship sank/broke up and the subsequent dispersal/movement of pieces caused by sea/sand currents over the proceeding centuries ...
Stuart
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