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Any ideas on the age of this Kutani dish? Its 9.5” across. Thanks, Todd
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That's lovely, Todd. I'm not sure about the date, I tried to check when the double square was used but the only examples I found dated 1930 - 1960 ish and had 4 characters.
That dip in the base is interesting. I have only seen it on later 20th c Chinese items. It always puzzles me as I can see no purpose for it.
Julia
Hi Julia,
My thought was it might be 18th century. The shading seems very good and it has a different look than a Meiji piece, for me. But, of course, am not at all sure...
take it with a grain of salt
Hi Todd,
I have spent a pleasant hour or so researching and I don't think this is 18th c. I can see why you think it might be, but it could be deliberately deceiving.
To my mind, the decoration seems overly busy and in a later style. The colours don't look right either, but my biggest concern is still the base. It looks almost staged. I can't find that mark and I am not sure it was used early on, anyway, but finally there is that dip. You see it on on the pi/bi (?) base but then the wider expanse is unglazed. I have also seen it on later 20th c Chinese.
It may be late Meiji but my feeling is this is a 20th c piece in an earlier style.
I could well be wrong and would love to have some one say it is 18th c - not just for you, although, of course I would be pleased, but also because then I have learnt something about bases.
Julia
Hi Julia,
I do see what you mean about that dip in the base. It doesn’t have a terribly old feel to it. And the kiln grit...if that’s what it is...seems a bit much. Yet Kutani pieces are not likely to be faked, so I am confused by it. I haven’t seen anything that looks like this since I’ve been making the rounds the past few years. I did buy it from Ebay, did not pay much. Will be a good piece for reference, if I can figure out what exactly it is, so no regrets. I have three items backed up from this seller in Japan, due to Covid. May not have it in my hands for another month or so. Once I get it, maybe I will have a better feel for its age.
The seller labeled it as “amate”. I guess that’s a type fired at a lower temperature.
Thanks so much for your effort Julia, happy that it was enjoyable at least. 😋
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
It always is! 😊 Kutani.org have a great gallery but no bases! It could be your plate is some kind of revival of a previous style. I really don't know, rather a pleasant puzzle!
As for amate, I have no come across that word before in relation to porcelain. I will have to look it up. 😀
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