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I found this vase today hunting. I’m trying to find out if this is a known art. I’m hoping I didn’t pay to much.
Hi Brian Crowe,
I am currently out and about Brian. But I think this is the mark of Wang Dafan (1888-1961).
A prolific painter and a member of the very famous 'eight friends of zushan'.
He is a very famous Republican period porcelain artist. Very sought after and very expensive.
He is also heavily copied.
I will try and look him up when I get back. In the mean time perhaps if Birgit is about she may wish to comment.
Regards,
Mark
@imperialfinegems I’m going to take better pictures to tomorrow with natural light so you can see the turning and finger marks. I have never seen porcelain body this thin but it’s not eggshell.
It is nicely painted and finely potted. The hand painted mark is in accordance with the quality. Mark can surely tell you if it’s by a famous master or a Republic copy. I personally don’t think it’s modern but it’s difficult to tell from pictures only.
Birgit
Did he continue painting until his death? I know nothing about the great Republic artists or Republic art really, but the way the grass is drawn and the colour of the green makes me think PROC period.
Maybe it is the lighting in respect of the colours, but could it have been done later in his style maybe by a member of his studio?
How did they paint facial hair like this it’s got grey hair?
Hi Brian,
It's difficult to determine by way of the pictures as to whether this vase is republican period or a little bit later. It's all hand painted which is a good sign.
Unfortunately it's not by the famed artist Wang Dafan. Nor do I think that it's his mark. I have looked at many examples and could not find an exact match. Who it is by I don't know. I do think it's in his style by the the faces and in particular the clothes. So perhaps a tribute to him. But not up to the masters quality but still very good. Don't get me wrong!
All in all Brian you have procured a very nice vase. But not the six figure potential it could have been had it been by Wang Dafan.
Regards,
Mark
Yes it's my understanding that Wang Dafan painted right up to at least 1958.
He was a founding member and I think from memory the last surviving member. He was a proficient and prolific painter of numerous styles ever changing especially after the communist takeover in 1949 where he painted patriotic paintings etc.
Very sought after artist along with Wang Qi, Wang Yeting, He Xuren just to name a few.
He is probably the most expensive of all the members of the eight friends of zushan.
Mark I had someone else look at the vase. They believe it’s republic early republic due to the face color. He said they become more orange the later the period modern faces are completely colored in orange. He mean skin tone. He also believes it’s in the style of Wang Qi and has indicated that only a master or students hand could paint like this. There need more data. I’m afraid to sell it and take a loss. I have sold 40 items this month they fly off the shelf indicating I’m not charging enough. I know it’s not 6 figure vase but I’m hoping 4 figures at least. There might be a date in the markings.
More pictures this pot is so thin you can see the painting on the inside of the vase. Pretty cool I think.
Hi Brian,
Yes in the style of either Wang Dafan or Wang Qi. They did paint their figures in a similar fashion.
I also believe in all probability that it's a republican period vase. The glaze has that unmistakable look about it.
As you know I have a interest in republican period porcelain. I have posted a few examples of more modern day attributes of the masters in past post. Some are as good if not better than the the masters themselves!
I do recall the blue vase you had recently and I have followed your page. But I have only seen one item. Certainly not forty items. Did you change your username or other, or am I mistaken or missing something?
Perhaps George aka gfhandle or others could decipher the calligraphy for you.
Mark
@imperialfinegems I did change the name yes on eBay. I didn’t realize the market was so hot. Most of my items where sold to Chinese buyers and they are willing to pay crazy shipping cost. I did sell the blue vase. When I first bought that vase I was told modern but several Chinese dealers told me it was Republic one did offer the price I was looking for. Had it not been for the Chinese dealers I would have sold it for 4 times less than it did.
It's great Brian that you have been able to sell your items so quickly and hassle free.
The blue vase was really a beautiful example and from the Republic period. The price you were asking was not expensive in my opinion.
Mark
@imperialfinegems I saw your plate on Gotheborg such a amazing piece. I think JE is a very experienced authenticator but I’m not in agreement with his view of Imperial kiln definition. It is that grey line discussion. He believes if not for Imperial court it’s not imperial. As many other feel Imperial gift private order for imperial kiln could be considered such. I believe your plate deserves such. If I where you thinking of a water mark might be considered in America a photo is just as valuable sometime as the piece itself. Protect your investment. Physical or visual.
Thank you Brian I hear you my friend. Never actually thought about to be honest. My pictures are here mainly on bidamount over the years. Some are now on gotheborg. I joined Instagram about a month or so ago and have posted about 65 pictures there.
It's been a very interesting journey this Kangxi dragon plate. I have shown it to about 20 or so dealers and collectors. I posted it a couple of days ago on Instagram. Immediately I received a huge amount of likes etc. More so than any other pictures I posted.
About half think it's Kangxi. About half thinks its 19th or earlier and two or three think it's new!
All very interesting to read and hear the different perspectives. I will no longer seek opinions about it further. I am for the most part happy with the responses and my purchase. It's really quite stunning to hold and touch.
I will now in all likelihood have it restored back to it's former glory. I have a recommendation.
Personally as you probably have guessed I think it's a genuine early example of Kangxi export. Not imperial ware. Could have been made to order by a dignitary or as JE suggested a high ranking Tibetan Buddhist official/priest.
Here was another one. Similar but much smaller and I think not as nice as mine even though it was in better condition. Did contact the seller about it but he remembered nothing about it. He sold it years ago apparently.
Mark
Hi Brian, not going to be much help but the characters I can read in the stamp at bottom contain a studio name with "Forest Mountain pavilion" or such. The script on the side contain a title in first vertical line on right, and possibly a date in the first two characters of middle line of "Dingchou" either 1937 or 1997. The third line contains a location written at. I'm not a native speaker so not much help, but if you are planning to sell it in the future you should find a native speaker who can properly translate the text before selling as you mention that many of your buyers are from China.
George
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