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Hi Julia, yes, there are two panels. The paintings in each have similar elements but they are 2 different scenes.
Nic
Here are some more photos. I’ve included some close-ups. I hope these can help us decide if it’s Qianlong or late 20th century! Clicking on an image to enlarge it makes it clearer.
Thanks, Nic. That is helpful and I am less certain than I was last time because what really bothers me is that instead of shading the artist has used lines. I have looked again but can't find anything similar, There is also a fair amount of flat pale blue wash, which reminds me of 20th c Japanese printed items which are washed in with that colour.
Maybe we should focus on what Xin meant by heavy being good but too heavy being bad?
Julia
Hi Julia,
thanks for coming back back to this, very much appreciated. I think the list of doubts has reached 3 or 4 now which doesn’t bode well for the jar! On a positive, all the reasons given for it possibly being 18th century and possibly being 20th century have been great for a novice like me. They’ve taught me what I should be looking for - good and bad.
every point has been very helpful.
thank you so much!
Nic
Do you have any provenance for this jar? Want to sell it? ?
Hi Nic,
Thank you first for more pictures. The painting bothers me really a lot. It doesn't make sense to me somehow. At first glance the details (desides painting) are correct for the period. But why this bad painting on this jar with good processing.
The composition is important for landscape painting. Mountains afar and nearby should be represented very clear. They have different styles. The painting on this jar is quite a chaos. How do you think?
I'm not confident about this after studying your new pictures, just like Julia.
Regards,
Xin
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Hi Xin,
Thank you for that. I think I agree. It is likely mid to late 20th century? I do think the clay is a good quality and it is nicely potted. There are lots of late 20th century jars that have no redeeming features, this does have one or two I think.
Thank you for your help, it has been most interesting, a great learning curve for me.
much appreciated,
Nic
Dear Nic,
I am sorry but I too have to revise my previous opinion.
While the pictures of the whole painting are looking as possible, the pictures of the details are changing completely the scenario. Never seen some of those details, in that manner.
On top of that, the paste as we see now doesn’t fit that of 18th century jars.
Sorry for having mislead you.
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
it’s no problem, getting to the bottom of it was a process which needed to consider all possible options.
I very much appreciated your contribution.
Nic
Dear Nic,
I forgot to say that I really do not know what that jar is. I can only say that it is not 18th century. It may be a modern reproduction, or Japanese, or else, I don't know.
If you think that it has some sign of age, I would not throw it away, it could perfectly be an honest thing. The best that you could do, in my opinion, is to store it and come back to it within some year, after having acquired more knowledge (we all are always in need of more knowledge!)
Giovanni
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