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oh, yes.. it looks dirty and ugly.. personally i would say, move on.. the internet is a vast place for many opportunities, just keep grinding and whatever catches your eyes, post it here! 👍
@shinigami The vase is in the united kingdom, I live in Morocco, My plan if it is something worthy and gets accepted by Sotheby's or christies is to ship it to them directly by the current owner or send someone to pick it up from the seller.
should I send it to Mr Peter combs for a review, knowing that I don't have a picture for the base, and where do you think I can resell those plate for a good price, like 800 to 1000$, I can buy some of them for 50 to 100 $? I think both sothebyes and christies sold similar ones in the past.
You wont get $800-$1000 for those plates. You can buy plates like that for around $30 frequently and as Birgit has stated you wont get those plates near Sothebys or Chrities. They are very ordinary chinese plates, not special, not good exceptional quality, not rare and quite common and also nto in the best condition.
The vase is unusual and very large, you need to determine what it is before buying it. Maybe send a picture to sothebys and see if they would take it.
@lep thank you for sharing your results, yeah the vase has a basket weave pattern, I did my research based on that and nothing close come in the results, I am not sure what to do about it, should I go for Mr Petter then? I think he would give an estimation for it.
@short-dong thank you so much, should I send them all the pictures that I have without the base, or should I request the owner to take those pictures for me first, I don't want to annoy her with too many requestS? what do you think about the age and value?
@ronm even some basic knowledge could help, thank you! yeah the plates are not that expensive after all, but the vase who knows 🙂
oh, yes.. it looks dirty and ugly.. personally i would say, move on.. the internet is a vast place for many opportunities, just keep grinding and whatever catches your eyes, post it here! 👍
I don't think it's that ugly after all
@sadoq95 I mean; She wants to sell it!
So be patient and wait for her to have a suitable person to help here get that picture of the base. However, you may not need the picture as the vase is so unusual that someone with expertise will instantly know what it is or is not.
If your plan all along is to get the seller of the vase to ship it directly to Sothebys or Christies auction house, then before you waste any money, you might go ahead and see if Christies or Sothebys want it. If they do not want it then what will you do?
It is very unlikley you can conduct business this way. You are depending on the seller not to damage it in transit/postage and christies woul dnot be happy if they knew as they would have to pay for return postage.
You cannot trade in Asian art unless you learn more about Asian art. You have to be prepared to care for and look after items for as long as it takes to sell them. I am only a novice and so not know much about trading in Asian Art, there are many people here that do and they are almost experts on Asian art, they really know the value and rarity of items they trade.
In my humble opinion you should find local buyers for things first. Like that vase, if it is not from a speical artist or studio, or something of value, and is what i think it is, a large decorative vase, then it's value is in the beholder.Such as hotel or business lobby or a restauraunt.
Maybe there is a business or a hotel in Morroco who might want the vase, find a buyer offer to them at a price that makes you a profit, but beware of the dangers of shipping and things getting broken. The difficulty of returns on ebay, the fact ebay wont cover the cost of return postage in many circumstances.
Morocco makes tiles right, I wonder if that is a better material to trade. Zellij tiles are very popular, and were one of the most popular designs with interior decorators last year. Speaking of intrerior design the ID people have created a new word 'japandi' and they think that because minimilist is out and all white kitchens are saturated, that the solution was to make a blend to maintain some of the previous styles. like minilism and uniform colours to create a new style called 'JAPANDI'
Japandi is an emerging interior design style that's becoming even more popular this year. What we love about this design concept is the clean lines, effortless style, and a mix of materials that create a serene living space. Each aesthetic focuses on simplicity, soft hues, natural materials, and comfort
So design and make a 'Japandi' tile and get an article on Good Housekeeping magazine and then sell it in all the big retailers liek tile world and Ikea. Then you might be rich.
@sadoq95 Buy the vase… pass on the plates!
Intetesting you should post such an interesting vase… we were just having a discussion about a style of Mid 19th c Canton dragon plate with famille verte and rose medallion decor - your future vase is among this unusual style minus the rose medallion decor (that I can see).
Around the mid 19th c., there appears to be some experimentation with vase forms that include applied objects (hundred antiques design) and pleated vase forms with ribbons (that look like bags).
This large vase is a basket weave form whichI have never seen before.
However, the dense famille verte depiction of palace scenes fits those verte-like export pieces of this period.
Ironically, I was thinking about the earlier posted dragon plate and thinking how rare it is to see that manner of decor on large pieces.
So, but it if undamaged - well worth the $500!
Make sure before you buy that she’s willing to ship it. If she even declines to tilt it over on a blanket for a picture of the bottom, wrapping and shipping sounds like a nightmare. I don’t know about Royal Mail but at DHL a box length of 120 cm is the limit. Sending a larger box is really expensive, especially to another country.
Birgit
Wow, that is some vase, but I don't think it has the appeal one would want. I don't like it. Basketweave is too busy to support a busy decoration, both aspects get lost and you end up with a bit of a mess. It seems a strange thing to do. The pattern on the handles is odd, too, also too busy in yet another way.
I don't know for sure it is genuinely around late 19th c, I would also like to see top and base. You should insist, it isn't impossible. There are a few things that are a little less usual but that could be due to the size or difficulty of decorating on that surface. I don't think I would bother with it, unless you feel very confident handling such large items, shipping will be costly, too. It won't appeal to everyone, it could sit around for a while.
However, if you do decide to go ahead, check if that is damage near the rim. It may be the remains of a seal but it does look like a crack. I can't really see it may be decoration. Also, what is the thing on the table near the scroll? Looks like a measuring implement, but I would want to know what it is and when it was used.
Sorry, forgot to say, I agree with everyone else about not buying the plates.
Just looked at your vase again, it is a nice shape (usually see with elephant trunk handles?) but I can't find anything similar. Could it be Japanese and decorated in China?
wow... it seems it might worth csomething 😀 I would do this: send the pics to Rob Michiels, who's gonna have a sale in November at https://www.rm-auctions.com/ . He will reply quick, if he thinks it's an option, then yes, do a quick buy and tell her to ship to him.
if it's legit and worth the attention, that would be a quick flip for you.
I must say that all this talk of having things shipped by the sellers directly to Sotheby's and Christie's seems far fetched, like receiving unsolicited manuscripts by a publishing house. At least Luis' suggestion of contacting the auction house first would make it easier for them to decide whether they want to risk colluding, but unless the seller is a total dunce, she will know that you are essentially seeking to create an agency position for her. When people feel defrauded they seek to be made whole. Has anyone ever actually done this move without repercussion? Never mind don't answer. High stakes porcelain moving would make a good plot for a book, so double down on your quest for a windfall and start typing. Sharon
Sotheby's & Christie's will not evaluate a piece you don't own....unless you have a really good relationship with them. 😎
@julia I thought the thing on the table looked odd as well, my first thought was that it looked like a computer mouse. The paper with wavy lines representing writing is also odd. It has been enjoyable looking at this piece, the handles look like they represent bamboo to me.
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