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Dear S-D,
Sorry, my mistake - no, it was lot 75 that I bought, not lot 74, but it seems to me that whoever bought lot 74 got an excellent buy, as well as whoever that dealer was in London who bought the cloisonné fish bowl. Maybe it was one and the same guy who bought both!
Alan
Dear S-D,
Sorry, my mistake - no, it was lot 75 that I bought, not lot 74, but it seems to me that whoever bought lot 74 got an excellent buy, as well as whoever that dealer was in London who bought the cloisonné fish bowl. Maybe it was one and the same guy who bought both!
Alan
I notice you appraised that actual item. It was a good deal I guess. Someone did get a good deal.
GUANGXU MARKS AND PERIOD
LOT SOLD. 16,250 USD
Dear S-D,
The dishes are lovely indeed, as you say, though the cataloguer misread their mark. It's not a Jiaqing mark, though they could conceivably date to that period. Rather, it reads jia yin tang zhi.
This mark may be found between the Qianlong and Daoguang reigns and relates to a location in the Shenyang Imperial Palace. This palace had been expanded late in Qianlong's reign, and had an aesthetic style all of its own, comprising more of a mix than might be found in the Forbidden City back in Beijing.
I wasn't aware that Sotheby's had sold similar dishes, and would be interested to know which ones they are that you refer to.
Best wishes,
Alan
Well 🙂 Good for you Alan. You have certainly an eye for the finer details.
I think these are them here, they are decorated with dragons rather than Lotus. They are not as beautiful or the same as your items but similar in appearance.
Hi Alan,
The four lots that you purchased are delightful period items.
Pity you could not secure lot # 74.
Mark
Dear S-D and Mark,
S-D first - thanks for your pointer towards the Guangxu plates. I see now why it should be that that's what you had had in mind. It's understandable that you would think of them, as the plates you mention share basic similarities in terms of size and colour, though as you're also aware, not in terms of their design, for here they are vastly different.
And now Mark - I greatly respect the expertise in jade that you have shown on this site; cast your eye over lot 73 in yesterday's Dublin sale, if you have a moment, and let me know what you think. It sold for €15,000 under the hammer. I had a look at it before the auction, and the fit of the lid was absolutely impeccable. It struck me as a lovely item, but I haven't the skill in jade that you have, just a general 'feel' for it. What's your own impression?
Best wishes to both of you,
Alan
Dear Alan,
congratulations! All nice pieces. The green dish is a superb masterpiece, I would kill for have it in my collection!:)
Giovanni
Dear Giovanni,
Please do not kill anyone, because then you will go to prison, and your friends on the Forum here will have to come to visit you in person to help you keep up your spirits!
Unfortunately, I did not buy the green chrysanthemum dish. Someone else bought it. I am happy with what I did buy, however, so it would be very wrong to complain.
Regards,
Alan
Dear Alan, thank you ?
Only now I see that you bought the next lot, the 75.
You did good purchases, lucky you.
Giovanni
Hi Alan,
The jade vessel being lot # 73 looked to be a very impressive item. It also bought a very decent amount. Expensive no a bargain price also no.
As I am using a mobile phone to look at the pictured lot. It is very difficult at the best times to determine if it is from the late 18th century of possibly later.
That being said if you have the lot in your hand and equipped with a small jewellers loupe (20x) and you looked at the bottom four feet you will see only two things.
The first is nothing but a well polished footing indicating to me at least that the item is either modern or had never been moved or handled (not likely but is possible).
Secondly if you see very minute scratching that indicates to me that the item had been touched and or moved about a fair amount. One should also be wary of man-made scratches.
The color of the jade is a very delightful and sought out celadon with russet markings.
Overall this lot was by far the best jade item on offer. I was not that impressed by the other lots.
I hope that this short explanation had been of some assistance to you.
Mark
Dear Mark,
Thank you for looking and giving a view on lot 73, that jade guang. I appreciate your having taken the time to do so.
A fair summary of your view would seem to me to be to say that you chiefly look to find age-related wear. If it's absent, you become suspicious, though also as you say, age-related wear is not necessarily inevitable (incidentally, this would also apply in the case of some of the older ceramics; wear which might reasonably be expected due to their age very occasionally is not to be found, yet they may be genuine nonetheless). Equally, as you say, this wear must appear natural, not blatant and hence faked. I'd suggest that it takes a connoisseur's eye to spot the difference between natural and faked wear, because sometimes the fakery can be quite subtle, not conspicuous. This applies too in the case of some of the older ceramics.
Best wishes,
Alan
HI Alan,
Thanks, for the reply. Yes you are absolutely correct with assumption regarding a trained eye. The devil is always in the fine detail SNF or lack of it.
They have been producing high quality reproduction of Jade pieces since 1950 at the Arts and Craft located in Beijing.
I always look for natural wear and more important the presence of modern day tooling like drill marks etc. I believe that that the introduction of modern day tooling occurred @ 1900.
Mark
Mark
I forgot to mention lot # 104. This Jade carving is not old but still desirable at a price way below the starting price $8000.
It should read dragons amidst waves and not rocks. The colour is OK if is has not been dyed etc
Alan since following Peter for a goof number of years I have gained an appreciation for antique porcelain that I did not have when I was younger. Alas I spend numerous hours a day searching, looking and reading numerous articles both on jade and Asian porcelain.
Mark
Dear Mark,
The dragon and waves brush rest that you mention, lot 104, was certainly a very lively piece of carving, I thought, and I enjoyed handling it. The colour of the stone seemed to comprise a combination of white, dark grey, and russet, but as a novice in these things, I would not know how to detect if it had been dyed or not. All I can say is that nothing seemed untoward to my eye in that regard, but conceivably I was not picking up on the tell-tale signs that someone with your skilled and better acquainted eye might notice rapidly.
Best wishes,
Alan
EXTREMELY difficult to tell the difference between dyed and other wise.
Jadeite jade because of it's rarity is more likely to be treated compared to jade.
As for white (mutton fat) jade one had to place said item on a pure white sheet of paper. You will see straight away if it is or not.
Mark
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