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Hey all. A very rare bronze has been in my hands for 10 years sitting on the shelf and i only started researching it a week or so ago. Im not going to share the subject matter as yet as i would like a complete unbiased authentication of the seal. It is oval and is embedded into the centre rear of the piece. You can see it is embedded as there is no glue residue or weld marks so it would have been put in while the bronze was still workable. So its a copper alloy completely distinct in colour from surrounding bronze patina. I gently cleaned seal to allow for character identification. Its pinkish colour shows a mottled patina on the seal. The bronze has not been cleaned at all. So its two characters read oshimoto seiji or he is known as seiji kiyoshi. I have done a comparison check with his seal and the seal on mine is identical to his seal on a silver bronze (goose stepping on frog okimono)down to characters and plug style seal. This type of seal is reflective of seiji/ kiyoshi workshop in the Meiji period. So i will upload pics of seal. Including his on the silver bronze. Thanks if you can assist. This bronze if the seal is athenticated is extremely rare and there is no example of it anywhere and i have done a rigorous search. By the way the bronze is lost wax and is 1 piece. So here are pics. So i am confident that it is authentic. Tell me im wrong.
Welcome to the forum, Shane. I'm not sure it's possible to authenticate on seals alone, but there is a difference in the way 清 is written on your piece. Notice the lower right part of the first character. On the example it's written as 月 but on your piece one of the horizontal lines is vertical.
These are two different ways of writing the same character.
@craig okay i get that. The seal is just looking at it a bit smaller than the one on the silver bronze goose. So I have done some research on the piece itself and do feel its of the quality that oshimoto represents remembering that they were not always true to the character. What would you like to see from me to help your decision peter. So in terms of the seal itself can you tell me of quality and the fact its embedded into the bronze which was from my research reasonably common from the japanese. Should we start there.
My appologies craig i called you peter.
Hi Shane and welcome.
When I consider Oshimoto's works, I have to first consider what is relevant and documented in immediate context. His works are generally attributed to the parcel gilt with silvered bronze goose and frog okimono sculptures seen around. There may be more documentation out there in Japanese context languages websites, but the general surface dig isn't too well captured in English regions. AI doesn't help too much either in digging yet.
I will agree with @craig as the signature is slightly different in a few key spots. It may not mean much though. However with fine quality works of his nature, integration of a seal itself into the work is generally keen into how well formed the work appears to cast on the eye. If it stands out like this in contrasting patina, coloring, and a raised casting relief, to me, that is a red flag.
Without further context of the work itself to judge the work in character, it is difficult to say otherwise in confidence if this is his work. Documented seals can help dissuade a red flag if direct comparisons are found, but limited info available doesn't really help to solidify it yet to point back to his work. If you wish to post more full photos of the work, I'd be happy to look it over. His work is quite masterful in quality. If not, no worries.
@craig thanks for that craig. Im currently in the process of researching the full object privately due to its unusual subject paired with japanese casting.
Would you consider a seal of this character (with vertical stroke form) to be within the stylistic range of seiji school or seiya workshop or does the carving look outside their known examples.
Im not going to ask for authentication as im more curious to see if it aligns or diverges from any others that yourself or others may have encountered.
@pbarski93 thanks preston i love the reply. So im going to put up various pictures of the bronze without giving away the subject. Its very important atm that the bronze is not revealed in its fullness as the subject matter paired with the japanese casting is very unusual. Im going to put both flashed and unflashed up for your perusal.
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