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I included a photo of the plate in question (third photo) to compare to my Rose Medallion examples (the first two photos). My apologies for the confusion!
The video was worth posting here, thank you (Yes! Bats with sun glasses!). As I watch it I also am reminded that although Chinese enameled porcelains were made in huge amounts and there was a lot of repetition, you still had individuals doing the decorating and those individuals worked at various workshops so there is some variety even within specific periods of time and patterns. In other words, to note a difference doesn't mean two pieces had to be made at different times.
Yes, the quality went down hill by the end of the century, didn't it?
I find it interesting, too, that Rose Mandarin seems to be the most valuable and sought after of the three patterns.
Yes, Most of the Rose Mandarin i see are Daoguang, I have not seen many later 19th century Rose Mandarin. Nearly all the examples you online are attributed to the first half of the 19th Century and or Daoguang. Even Peters example in his comprehensive video, he attributes them to the ealry 19th century, or whether it was just the Famille Rose madarin he was showing as an example.
Either way a good quality Rose Mandarin must have a greater value to say a rose medallion or Canton for the most part as unless they are exclusively in the first half of the 19th century, they will invariably be fall into that age range regardless and thus have a greater rarity and antiquity. They are usually much better quality anyways.
https://bidamount.com/understanding-chinese-famille-rose-porcelain-18th-to-19th-c
58:55 on his video.
Ah! That makes sense; they stopped making them at some point.
Hmm. If by next paycheck that plate is still for sale I might just snag it. (I have a soft spot for bats, too.)
Ah! That makes sense; they stopped making them at some point.
Hmm. If by next paycheck that plate is still for sale I might just snag it. (I have a soft spot for bats, too.)
I have a feeling prices in general are coming down a little, people focused on other projects now life is returning to normal. Postage is way to high on the plate, I would want lower postage, and $40 max for the plate and what it actually is. $60 + postage would get you a Kangxi or certainly a yonghenz/Qianlong. I am seing some late qing blue and white plates get no bids this week, and some qianlong blue and white selling much lower.
The ebay famille rose plate is a smart looking plate all the same but has chips on the rim so not a great investment unless you can low ball him.
That is not to say the plate is not worth more, it is but it has damage and right now there is a slight saturation in the market, famille rose can always wait.
That's good advice. I live in CA so shipping is only $8.55. I don't have any Rose Mandarin so it would be a novelty for me; I already have a few Kangxi and several 18th c. blue and white plates already so I'm not really shopping for those kinds of examples (since I'm not a dealer at this point and buying for fun mostly). There is no "make an offer" option on this plate unfortunately although I could try.
That's good advice. I live in CA so shipping is only $8.55. I don't have any Rose Mandarin so it would be a novelty for me; I already have a few Kangxi and several 18th c. blue and white plates already so I'm not really shopping for those kinds of examples (since I'm not a dealer at this point and buying for fun mostly).
Is it a Rose Mandarin though, it is an ususual design or at least uncommon.
Rose Mandarin like these are earlier 19th century and many are considered Daoguang so I would aim for these.
Oh, because of the floral/bird cartouches in the rim it's not Rose Mandarin. Got it.
Yes the cartouches and the empty dividing space. What that makes this plate I do not know. Maybe a very good quality custom piece for a 19th century birthday or wedding and or Persian. If that makes it more valuable or less I just dont know. No doubt someone who collects Famille rose should have an interest in this plate and or would know if it is worth something. Hence the reason i threw it up there.
Some bounder has snatched our plate for $45. The plate is sold. 😕
Tis lost forever....
Yes, I saw that. The seller offered it to me for $50 but I decided not to bite. I loved the bats but decided I couldn't live with such a big chip.
Yes, I saw that. The seller offered it to me for $50 but I decided not to bite. I loved the bats but decided I couldn't live with such a big chip.
You can always get a famille rose plate cheap, they frequently come up in auctions and estate sales and thrift shops, boot sales etc. not to mention ads and ebay. I have gotten famille rose punch bowls and 12inch famille chargers ( Daoguang era too) for about £8 each. Also the Daoguang Famille Mandrin plates are stunning and should be the priority over all others.
This plate that just sold is a mystery, unfortunately we never learned more about it. It is head and shoulders above most Export Canton in terms of quality, and was likely made for a special occasion.
A mint condition Doagunag Famille Mandrin is a much better investment and if your patient you can grab one or 2 for the same price. Maybe we find out one day why this plate was designed different to the usual Mandrin, canton and Medallion.
For those who hesitated on this plate, it's counterpart has popped up on eBay:
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