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Hi everyone, hope you are all doing good today. My SO brought this to me all happy and then I was all happy and then reality set in when I was told by a couple of friends who's knowledge I trust told me this is newish and not old at all. So then I put the loupe on it, and discovered some small details of age iron spots, but no scratching at all, no normal wear for something a couple hundred years old. The inside of the top is pristine white and unglazed, the inside is completely glazed, very shiny. It was sold to the wife by a nice little old lady who said it was her mothers and sat in the china cabinet for over 50 years and her cabinet for another 20 or something. There is a screen on the inside for tea. There are upon close inspection a couple of iron spots inside and on the outside, but covered by the cobalt, if that's what the decoration is. So I was thinking this was a Chen Lung piece even though it's marked YongZheng, YungChen, as we know the potters like to use prior reign marks as respect and so on. Then word came that is was sloppily painted and new. I was taken by this piece how about you. If you were not I would like to hear from you to know who my elders in the field are beside the one's I already know, Peter, ronm, collecting asia, hawei or something. Thanks.
Hi everyone, one other thing, if you do a google search for antique Chinese dragon teapot, even if this may be a kilin, you will see what appears to be some more recent variations but much more obviously copies of this one, which is a fraud as I have been told. This is after all a hand painted teapot, so this is where we are, you can't even trust hand painted items, and I must admit, the painting is not that good. Undeterred and undaunted I advance forward.
A nice decorative and really fanciful teapot, but not old I think. The footrim slowly curves into the bottom and both are so glossy, also the crudely painted mark - those are a warning sign for me. As always I stand to be corrected by the experts.
Birgit
Hello fightseven
you are right they have been putting marks for early period since kangxi
period onward to now the mark last thing you look at to me foot rim off .
For real old peace not enough ware the picture are to blurry for me to get a good
Look at but to me it look it about 70+year
Dear flight seven,
No indeed, not a Yongzheng teapot, nor a Qianlong one either.
To my eye, this looks as if it may have been made some time during the first half of the 20th century, though I don't recollect having seen another quite like it. It's certainly very flamboyant, as Shinigami has already said, and will make a real conversation piece.
Regards,
Alan
It’s unanimous, the foot rim is all wrong, the porcelain is to pure (IMHO) and the painting to sloppy for the period you’re thinking. I suspect the story you got about its provenance is probably correct. I could speculate that maybe the teapot was a wedding gift or some thing of the sort and was brand new, it spent its whole life sitting in a china cabinet.
Flightseven, thanks for lumping me in with the smart folks here, but I must admit, the credit you give me is greatly overrated.
Hi everyone, and alan, john, and shinigami, thank you for your learned opinions, and sorry for forgetting about a couple of you elders in the field. Thank you for pointing out the details that I missed or overlooked. The truth is the price paid was less than 20 dollars US. so it's not being wrong and losing money, it's about knowing what is genuine and what is new or 20th century. Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of very beautiful pieces of 20th century ceramics and other arts of China out there, I just like to think I collect antique Chinese porcelains. I'm pretty much forced by folks with much more money than I to collect what I can when I can, the prices in this market are mind boggling. I was just trying to find out here who would tell me what was wrong with the piece as it had me going.
I posted it on another FB page of a friend of mine from GB and a fellow rudely spat out everything you all said but not so nicely. I guess some folks think much knowledge gives them the right to be rude. Anyway thanks again to all who replied. I do have some nice pieces I managed to acquire over the last year and longer, I also have a library of about 60 or so books now and the library of books alone runs to several thousands so, as one of my hero's has said (John Jack Bogle) stay the course, steady as she goes. Time and opportunity will present itself at some point and I will be ready. I showed a majority of my pieces on Jan Eric's GB so maybe I will put up some of those for you all to comment on in the near future, nothing out of the British Museum, but real and authentic antique Chinese porcelain.
I am going to start another thread about what drives us pursue and collect these porcelains, it's maddening sometimes.
best
joe carazola
ps:ronm, were'nt you the guy who told me my jun glazed miniature censer was authentic? did'nt you call that? How could you if you dont have the knowledge, you are quite the humble person. Thanks again.
Joe, I would give credit to Peter for authenticating your little item. On occasion antiques just whisper in my ear, can’t explain it, and your little censer did just that, some times I even get it right.
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