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I found this Kangxi plate to be suspicious too. The decoration is not in Kangxi style. The foot looks OK but the cobalt blue looks more like Qianlong period. I bid on quite a few listings of his but won non of them. I bidded on the beautiful Kangxi kendi for $2100, and was beaten by someone for $2200+ in the last 10 seconds. Anyway, I bought a Yenyen vase from him for $4350, which he asked for $5000 initially. I found this vase was the same one that was listed at Rob Michiels's auction back in April.
Maybe this seller on ebay is related to Rob Michiels in some way?
Bravo Shinigami!
Your first point, the very smooth surface. I don’t know if you are referring to the texture of the surface or to the type of glaze. I am not convinced by the glaze, but didn’t include that point because I give the benefit of the pictures, which can deceive.
Instead, your second point is exactly one of mine two. There is not a picture of side view, but it seems that the wall of the plate is too much vertical, with less rounded curve as you meant.
I can’t put my hand on the fire about this, but I think that I never seen this shape on a Kangxi plate, while it is more common during Qianlong. I am not sure but it should be accomplishing Western taste.
I am looking for the possibility of private messages for sharing the other point.
Giovanni
Ah, I see what Shinigami means, now.
I found these:
http://jurjenpronk.com/portfolio-items/six-blue-and-white-kangxi-plates-herkansing/
Julia
Now I’m completely puzzled. Looks like the same plates. Unfortunately no pictures from the side that show the strange form.
Birgit
This is the one from ebay (hope it is ok to put the photo in) to me the decoration seems off to the extent that the top half appears to encroach more into the bottom half. In the 6 other examples, landscape and birds seem to have their own clearly defined equal/more balanced space. That is what makes me wonder about this one.
Also, the six plates to appear to have curving sides in the bowl area - I think. Hard to tell.
Julia
You’re right Julia. I have only the tiny smartphone screen here, so it’s difficult to compare. The faces on the Pronk plates look truly Kangxi, while on the Ebay plate they look wrong and distorted. Seems like the Ebay plate is a modern copy of the Pronk plates.
Birgit
I can't really see any major differences between the ebay plate , and the six plates offered by jurjen pronk . Six kangxi plates with almost no damage seems too good to be true. Although the faces and figures of the child and elder are all different , none seem very accomplished. None of the elders have interesting expressions.
On the other hand , the decoration on the rest of the plates , like the phoenixes , seems well-done, so I am puzzled too. Maybe it can be explained as them being later C18th copies of Kangxi plates (as weiandmengjie suggested)?
tam
Incidentally , jurjen pronk sells as chine-de-commande on ebay . with an awful lot of C18th and earlier blue and white porcelain , including many large sets, so maybe he/she knows what they are doing and the kangxi attribution is correct.
tam
I truly am unsure. All I know is that if someone said I could choose one of these 7 plates, I would not pick the ebay one. It doesn't seem to have the same lightness of touch, seems comparatively lacking in detail and the central decoration seems less well-balanced.
However, if I found the ebay one, would I think it was kangxi? Yes, quite possibly.
I guess I just don't know enough to judge. ?
Quite interesting dear Julia.
Dear all, I maybe wrong, but to me they are all reproductions, and I exclude old reproductions. To me they are modern.
The whole floral decoration on the rim and the back is unusual. The central scene, on all them, is not convincing. Never seen that entire arm naked on a erudite with its heavy rope. It was an hot day?
And especially the way that bodies and ropes are drawn, the proportion, the fluidity of the lines, all out for Kangxi.
The back is not convincing. The only one shown on that site has the grits on the foot too.
And the possibility to find seven plates, all perfect, so perfect that they are missing the age feeling, is really scarce.
Giovanni
Oh, it is all so confusing. ? Thankfully, I can't afford any of them, so no danger there! ?
Dear Weiandmengjie,
Let see if there is the possibility to exchange private messages. I would like to comment your nice vase with you.
Giovanni
Dear Giovanni,
Thanks for looking into the yen vase. The private message function does not seem to work now. Could you comment on it in this post. The seller has not shipped it yet. So if there is anything wrong, I can ask him not to. But I saw this vase several time, including in one of Peter's blog post:
https://bidamount.com/rob-michiels-chinese-and-asian-art-auction-april-28-29
Everything looks Kangxi style, including the shape, color, the foot and decoration.
Thank you in advance. I will appreciate any comment. ?
Dear Weiandmengjie,
Your vase is very nice. If Kangxi, it is worth at least the double of what you paid it. If late 19th century, still is a good purchase, you have not overpaid I think.
Now, what is it indeed? In my opinion it is a late 19th century replica. Of course, I may be wrong.
The reasons why I think so are the following.
The paste as seen on the foot is not compact enough.
The foot is not even. Either if flat as often happens during Kangxi or squat rounded, it should not show the ribs of the cutting (I don’t know how to call them.
The paste has some brownish areas for iron rust which should not be there.
It is correct that the glaze on the base has pits due to burst bubbles, but here it is excessive, not just pits but craters, it seems deliberately made.
The magnolias are a bit strange. If you look at the only picture with the magnolias, you can see that there is a blue flower among them. It seems to be the only overglaze blue on the vase. You could ask the seller for a picture showing the close up of that blue flower, with the reflection of light over it, as it is in that picture. Then look around the blue, on the white glaze. There should be an “aura” surrounding the blue, where the white glaze is more opaque and shows iridescences. That is typical of Kangxi famille verte.
There are only three pictures of the details. In the second picture, the red peony which is over the purple one has a light reflection on it. Thanks to that, I can see that the surface of the red enamel is not even, it looks as blistering. That is typical of 19th century iron red. That of Kangxi is very typical, it is extremely thin and flat, it looks more like a metal oxide than an applied enamel, and it has a purplish iridescence. Very typical. In the picture below, look at how the vertical line of the light reflection changes his color to purplish when it crosses the iron red enamel.
Giovanni
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