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Hello everyone,
I would like to share these two prints by Hiroshige that I have had for several years, but only now am I researching properly. Both are from the same series: Eight Scenic Views of Ohmi (Ohmi Hakkei no Uchi). I have researched several versions of this series and have come to the conclusion that mine is a c.1900 reprint. In my opinion, this reprint is of better quality than that of c.1920, but a pity that it is not an original copy since early XIX. I will share the information I have collected about it. Also, I would like to know how I can evaluate the price of these prints, I have been doing some searches on ebay and some specialized sites, but I have not come to any conclusions about a realistic price. Also, any other information you have about these pictures, will be most welcome!
All the best,
Marco
Print 1:
Descending Geese at Katata
(堅 田 落雁 - Katata Rakugan)
Poem:
峯 あ ま た こ へ て 越 路 に ま つ ち か き 堅 田 に な び き お つ る か り か ね
Mine amata / koete koshiji ni / mazu chikaki / Katada ni nabiki / otsuru karigane
Translation:
Lured from their flight over many mountains
Toward far-off Koshiji
The wild geese are alighting at Katada
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Print 2:
Clearing Weather at Awazu
(粟 津 晴 嵐 - Awazu no Seiran)
Poem:
雲 は ら ふ あ ら し に つ れ て 百 ふ ね も 千 ふ ね も な み の あ わ 津 に そ よ る
Kumo harau / arashi ni tsurete / momo fune mo / chi fune mo nami no / Awazu ni zo yoru
Translation:
White, as when the wind
Clears away the cloud and scatters it,
The sails of a hundred boats
Come flying to Awazu.
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Print 1
Print 2
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Catalog sources:
collections.mfa.org/objects/234466
collections.mfa.org/objects/234462
Complete series:
/www.fujiarts.com/japanese-prints/Static-Sets/8-Views-of-Omi/0-main.html
A couple of very nice woodblock prints you have posted. I like the first more so than the second one.
Sadly I know nothing about the etc etc. I do hope someone can enlighten you/us with more information. I did try and find some forum/club with no success I might add.
Mark
the best way to find out a range of price for certain. is to send photos of it to a dealer who I remember 1 in canada. 1 in Italy or Floating World Auctions. These places exclusively deal with woodblock prints. (you don't have to sell it to them.)
I remember the dealer in Canada saying... “how fast you wish to sell your item will impact what price he posts on his site." Also obviously condition matters.
And from what I have seen, an auction with many many other woodblock prints bring higher prices than those other auctions where it only has 3-4 lots of wood block prints.
Hello,
Suggest you join Artelino no charge and search their data base also keep an eye on their auction results.
Michael.
Dear Mark, Ang, Michael and John,
Thank you very much for the comments and suggestions! I will register with Artlino and soon I will tell you the result.
All the best, Marco
Marco and Todd,
Suggest you get your prints looked at in person by a reputable expert. There is strong demand for Utagawa Hiroshige also known as Ando Hiroshige. It is easy to identify artists by photos but to tell if it is an early strike or later strike I think that prints need to be examined in the flesh so to speak. From what I can establish later strikes by this artist can still bring prices in the four figure range. So think it worth while having them assessed rather than depending on assessments made via photo's no matter how good the tools or honesty of the assessor. I notice in Artelino's arrive a print very like one of Todd's, described as printed on thin paper and with condition issues fetched $1200.00. It is worth noting that this Artist has fetched over a Hundred thousand for works printed in the late Edo at the major Auction houses. The Japanese wood block world is very strange I read in a Charities listing they knew it was a first strike print as there was a mistake in the print as the wood carver had left a small area uncarved which was fixed for the second strike these second strikes bring a lot less than the ones with the mistake.
Good Luck
Michael
Hi Michael,
Mine are from a woodblock book I posted here a while back, 53 Stations of the Tokaido. I haven’t been able to figure out the date yet. The two above are the 16th and 18th stations. It has occurred to me that there may be some good value in that book. But really very unsure of the date, so that awaits to be seen. 😋
take it with a grain of salt
Hello all,
Nice book Todd! It's really cool to see the full series. I agree that yours looks a little more recent. Also thanks Michael for your comment full of interesting information! Curious that I could not find any specific forum in English about woodblock print, as it has with Netsukes, etc. I just found specialized sites that work like auction houses.
About Artelino, I tried to register but they didn't accept it. The service is only offered to a limited number of countries to which they can ship, and Brazil is not on the list. So, my registration was denied today and therefore I do not have access to the archives of works sold.
I even sent an email asking to have access to the Archive, but it was unsuccessful. Does anyone have an account there?
From what I could observe on Ebay, Hiroshige reprints from 1920's-later reach around US $ 150 - 250. Others, classified as originals from the 19th century, around US $ 1,000. I believe that the prints from c.1900 like mine reaches an intermediate value, maybe around 300-400?...I know that there are many variables. I will continue researching!
All the best,
Marco
Hi Marco,
I have observed the market for hiroshige prints in the last few months. In my experience prints from re carved woodblocks (often made around 1900) do not sell for much more than 100 euros on auction. The price difference between prints from the original blocks and those from re carved blocks is enormous. Furthermore it depends on the edition. Prints from the first editions in good condition fetch very high prices, while later editions sell for much less.
Your prints are two amongst the most famous and mostly reprinted works of hiroshige. They look very nice and appear to be in good condition, but do not get too excited regarding the value. When doing research on ebay keep in mind, that there are many wrong descriptions out there and especially fixed price offers are sometimes much above market value.
Regards Robin
Dear Robin @asiarob ,
Thank you very much for your comment and for sharing your experience observing this specific market. You are right, Ebay is not a good reference ... most of the prints have been there for years. But there are some auctions going on that bids look like a fair value. I think I was optimistic with U $ 300-400. Mine probably could reach around U$ 150 - 200 each. I think.
I read that the Ohmi Hakkei no Uchi series was originally a edition with few copies, the original prints are quite rare and reach good prices at Christie's, look at this original copy of "Katata rakugan" reaching a value well above the estimated. Other original prints from the same series are around US $ 1,500-3,000.
www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-1341168
onlineonly.christies.com/s/iconic-prints-by-the-japanese-masters/utagawa-hiroshige-1797-1858-74/15668/
www.christies.com/lot/lot-utagawa-hiroshige-1797-1858-utagawa-hiroshige-4990598/?
However, the success of this series has probably generated numerous late Meiji reprints: As is the case with mine.
Unfortunately I could not conclude whether my reprint is from the same woodblock as the original or recarved.
I also found 2 prints very similar to mine on Artelino through the good old Ukiyo-e.org database, but I can't access the members area of Artelino. Anyway, if someone happens to have a registration and could consult for me, I'll be very thankful, :
ukiyo-e.org/image/artelino/11331g1
ukiyo-e.org/image/artelino/11335g1
Thanks to everyone who commented so far,
All the best,
Marco
Marco,
We need a purchase history with them to access the archives, and I admit my recommendation was based on my admiration of the weekly catalogs from afar. There's a woodblock print I had my eye on, and I think I'll go for it this week. You could probably guess which one if you looked at them, lol. Once I get access to the archives, if anyone has not by that time, I'll help you out.
John
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