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Hi all, Here are 4 of my 10 reverse teapots from the Song Dynasty, Youzhou ware, and red tea dust, 2 of them are Shang dynasty bells, one is a Shang dynasty Ax and the other is an Elephant, The Song dynasty always made Shang style pieces
richard severson
Richard, if you dig into the trash you will find the trash of the trash. Within it, those horrible things.
You should be forced to stop to post here your rubbish, newbie readers could be mislead, although I believe that you are the only person in the World who thinks that they are good ones. Please avoid to pollute the forum.
If instead all this is a joke, it is really very bad and not welcome.
Giovanni
Goivinni - You are polluting the forum with your bad attitude, you are not an expert but you think you are, it`s a shame, where are your vases? Just imagine all my stuff is trash, you can`t stand stuff that you have never seen before and don`t understand so you use negative words as if you are right, what a shame! You may not like my stuff and that`s ok but calling everything trash and childish as in child's books etc... should not be tolerated here, I never called you or your stuff bad, or trash, I just said you are not an expert,
I expect more respect here than that, and I will call you out on every comment you make on my stuff, if you don`t like it don`t comment
But shame on you that you have not said one good word or positive thing here yet...
It would be far better if you can`t say something good then say nothing, but to call my stuff all bad and Trash id asking for trouble
Got -it
P.S. Go look up reverse teapots from the song dynasty, there are very few of them, I am sharing something of my collection that there are very few of in the world and you call it trash - Shame on you !!
richard severson
I hope that Peter will intervene here, action must be taken because the credibility of a Forum can’t be ruined by these things, presented as genuine.
This regardless if you are honestly thinking that that trash is genuine or you are playing some who knows what joke, or why.
It is not credible to a Forum to host such trash without having the possibility to clearly state that it is just that, trash.
Giovanni
There you go again, nothing nice, calling antique porcelains trash, Shame on you! The title of this thread says to share your favorite things, and that is what I am doing, they may not be your favorite, And furthermore, people learn best by reality, that includes fakes and real. the good and the bad, and they can make up there mind themselves, you can call them fake, I can call them real and have that right to, but do it with dignity and respect !
richard severson
I may have to post some of the shipwreck stuff from under the ocean from documented explorers and museums that buy this kind of stuff to show you that porcelains under the ocean for hundreds of years look identical to mine, but for some reason mine are trash, and you are the absolute expert here with no exception and I am the dumbest of dumb to buy, to have and to love what I have
In the land of the free and the home of the brave, must I do like everyone else ?
richard severson
Hi Richard,
My concern, too, is that some of your assertions might mislead other people.
No one objects to you loving and sharing the things you have collected, why would we?
It is the absolute insistence on their authenticity that is the problem. Maybe saying, for example, "which I think may be from the Song dynasty" would be a good compromise? Other people can then comment one way or the other and a useful debate might ensue which helps everyone.
Giovanni knows a hell of a lot about Chinese porcelains, he may not be an expert in all areas, but neither is he claiming to be, and to be honest, even I can see these tea pots are not what you think they are. It is fine if you want to believe they are rare Song examples, but I no longer know if you are having a joke with us or not and that is not good for people visiting these forums, looking for advice and education.
Sorry, but head is spinning with all this!
Best wishes,
Julia
Richard you are deluding yourself and misleading other people which is even worse.
I wish Peter C would moderate his Forum.
Vic
Thank you dear Julia.
Richard, there are no other ways to make everything clear, besides the following:
First, I invited you to send a picture of either of your things to Christies. Did you that? No. Please do, no risk whatsoever.
Second, if you are credible, since you say that you do a lot of search, you knows, etc etc: post a single genuine piece as reference for any of your items. Have you ever found any? I mean references coming from reliable sources. Have you a reference for the supposed (supposed only by you) Song blue vase? Or for these horrible teapots? Show a reference, instead of stating "this is Song" and accusing others to be ignorant.
If you do not have reference you are not allowed to state "this is Song", "this is Tang" and so on.
Your supposed shipwreck items are ridiculous. All them has the same identical encrustation. I have never seen two shipwreck items with the same encrustation. Open a book related with shipwreck items and look at the pictures. Have you never seen one?
Have you never opened a book related to Song ceramic?
Come on, enough is enough. Show references if you find any.
Giovanni
This guy has got to be trolling. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Sy from the gotheborg forum ?
Hi all - Here is a perfect comparison from Tha Shang dynasty bronze bell to the Song dynasty Porcelain reverse teapot, notice the bumps, the dividers, the top always has an animal of some type and the bottom motif and you say this is trash!
Even the Chinese writing says - Bell or pendulum
richard severson
Fake account?
Clear fake and I am confident that youknow that perfectly. Your game is not clear.
Please post a Song dynasty pot like your trash one, coming from reliable Museum or collection, if you can find one. You know that you can't. Comparing a Song teapot with a Shang bronze bell is like comparing Greek marble statues with African bronzes and say that the first was inspired by the latest.
This stupid joke is exceeding the limits.
Giovanni
Dear Thegoldentoad,
are you too on Gotheborg?
I am there since 2004.
Giovanni
Goivinni - You are right, one should never compare apples to oranges, comparing Greece to Africa is like apples to Oranges, I compared Chinese to Chinese, even Christie`s and Sotherby`s show Song vases and say these are from Shang style bronzes - want to see theirs?
richard severson
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