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I got into trouble again last weekend!
While browsing at a second hand store in Menlo Park last weekend I spotted this very large blue and white punch bowl and HAD to have it. It's not the highest quality of decoration but it's thick-walled, heavy and I've always wanted a blue and white punch bowl with pagodas.
One of the things I like about it is that although it could be classified as "Nanking" (little umbrella guy on bridge, etc) it has other decorative features and seems to be a rather unusual mix of patterns in that regard: sweet pea (?) vine scrolls on the inside rim, diaper pattern on the outside rim, and a couple of Canton-style rooflines. Its slight sloppiness has an informal charm to me. It wasn't a bargain but... what the heck! It has no chips, cracks or repairs but some fireing flaws, especially on the inside bottom.
I've never heard of the people mentioned in the sticker on the bottom, apparently put there when it was purchased in the 1970s? I fantasize that the "Roth" mentioned is of the same Roth family who owned Filoli and that it was once was on display on a grand piano there or something.
Anyway, thanks for letting me show and tell. Have you seen one like it before?
Dimensions: 14 ¾" wide, 6" tall.
Hi Steve, it looks hand painted but I miss the practiced hand of the late 18th century. The dating on the back could be accurate as they had these impure porcelain bodies around the middle of the 19th century. I agree it's a Nanking pattern, it was still painted early 20th century, but yours has a Daoguang or even Xianfeng look to me. Very nice find, especially that it's still undamaged. Production flaws don't count as damages. BTW, what was the trouble? Not having enough cash with you?
Congratulations, a nice addition to a cohesive collection and a nice big bowl makes an impression, good luck with research on provenance, nice that someone was thoughtful enough to include some information.
I went over buget for the month! 😑
I just heard back from Peter: he says it's circa 1880-1910, so I really over-paid. Oh well!
Oops, not as old as I thought. I have some items myself that I willingly overpaid because I absolutely wanted to have them. People spend money for stupid things that they enjoy for only a short while. A nice piece of porcelain can bring joy for a long time, and it’s not a worthless fake, so don’t worry about the price.
Thank you! That makes me feel better.
Mom likes to say: "Chalk it up to tuition!" and that's what I'll do with this. It also means I'm not as scared to use it. Someday, COVID permitting, I'll serve fish house punch in it for a large party.
@steve Oh well, 1880-1910 is old, I'm okay for someone who is Republic period, thought I was going to have a lovely quiet week until the nurse from the doctor's office called that it is time to come in for fasting bloodwork tomorrow, drat, no coffee in the morning until I get out to my car. Maybe I will stop at a shop on the way home and find some Noritake.
May I ask what Peter said it’s worth for my own reference. Thanks
At first glance at the base it certainly looked guangxu period 1875-1908 with the presence of iron oxide spots. But the design looked a little bit earlier which was puzzling. But I am not an expert on these. Only going by what Peter has mentioned before in his videos.
The spear design if my memory serves me correctly was almost non- existant by the end of the 19th century. However yours is still applicable.
Steve its still a very nice example that would look great in a proper setting.
Yes, some of the details were confusing to me as well. I took a bath buying it but I've learned a thing or two. It's so hard to judge a work by the quality of decoration since there were looser brushes even back in the 18th c. It's also a reminder that Jingdezhen had a lot of kilns working and there were lots of things going on! It is interesting how from the Nanking through Canton they seemed to be following a set pattern book (probably thinking that Westerners wanted consistency, which is what they were probably told).
The fact that it isn't maked for export suggests it was made before c. 1890, so I'm going with 1880-1890.
I will feel a bit better about it once next payday rolls around and I pay it off! Ha ha! (OUCH)
P.S. Yes, it is very eye-catching! I found a spot in my living room where i can enjoy looking at it from my desk.
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