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Hello Everyone,
Having refrained from purchasing any Chinese ceramics since the start of the year, I decided to splurge. I have been keeping an eye out for older celadon pieces and bidding, only to be (way) outbid. Finally, I had success at the recent Zacke Gallerie Auction. And picked up what was described as Ming gu form celadon vase. The vase is 9.5" (24 cm) and has a repair to the foot and rim. Despite the delicate shape it's very stoutly potted and heavy.
The colour in real life has more green in it (seafoam green ?) than the photos suggest. Peter Combs thought it might be 18th C. instead of Ming, which seemed plausible to me. Now that I have it in hand I think it's Ming Longquan after all. I found a few comparable examples from auction houses that were described as Ming:
Christie’s, Hong Kong
Pavillion Sale
Oct. 8, 2020
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22263/lot/106/
Any comments, especially regarding the age would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Will
Hi Will -
Attached images/descriptions of three such Gu vases for comparison ...
No’s 108/9 are from the National Palace Museum, Taipei and the third, H. 25.5 cm, is dated to mid Ming and in the Gugong, Beijing - accompanying description is in Chinese only ...
The first is the closest in overall style to your piece ...
Note the differences in base/footrim colour/tone and finish between these pieces and your example, although this may just the images ...
Longquan kilns numbered in to the hundreds and there output was enormous so, obviously, the quality and finished shows great variation depending on patronage and markets been produced for ...
The Longquan potters were unable to compete with, or match the quality of, the blue and white wares been produced in Jingdezhen and quality gradually deteriorated from the late 15thC, the designs/decoration became more schematic/simplified, the glaze thinner and transparent and bodies thicker ...
I hope the above is of some help ...
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thank you for taking the time to collect those reference pieces, they are very helpful. I hadn't been able to find any examples in online Western museums except for a plain example in the British Museum:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_Franks-136-
Are your images from a published book or catalog?
I agree with you that the first example is closest, even matching the incised pattern on the central band. The colour is greener than mine (although mine isn't quite that clear blue it appears in the photos). I think the footrim on my example is a little neater and narrower, but it's hard to say.
It seems like a Ming/16th C. age might be the best estimate for my piece.
The last piece is very striking, I love the combination of ice blue and the ridged applications.
The history of the Longquan kilns is interesting, did they effectively stop production by the Qing dynasty? Or were they at least limited to utilitarian wares?
Cheers,
Will
Hi Will -
The vase images were taken from the following two publications:-
‘Green-Longquan Celadon of the Ming Dynasty’, National Palace Museum, Taipei exhibition catalogue 2009 and ‘Longquan of the World’, Gugong, Nation Palace Beijing, two volume exhibition catalogue 2019 - first image ...
The 2009 NPM is mostly Ming pieces, but includes some Northern/Southern Song and Yuan objects ...
The 2019 Gugong publication is much more extensive, voll 1 covering Northern Song to Republic pieces, whilst voll 2 covers objects ordered by/produced for the Imperial Court from Southern Song to mid Ming period ...
Yes, production at the Longquan kilns continues throughout the Qing, but the quality is markedly inferior to early wares and seemed to have been produced for local/internal patronage and markets ...
Attached images from Voll 1 of the Gugong publication showing Qing pieces dated by inscription from the Shunzhi to Guangxu periods - images 4/11 ...
I have also attached the two page English summary of the 20 page Chinese essay from the NPM publication, which may be of interest ...
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thanks for posting the book details and that summary.
Those later Qing Longquan celadons are very different from the earlier Ming examples, the colour is much weaker. I do find the inscriptions interesting though.
Cheers,
Will
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