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I've listed this vase on ebay to see how much it will bring. Tell me what you think of it.
Dear Springmeier,
I am afraid that you will have troubles if the vase will sell, because you say that the vase is not broken.
Although you have not shown a clear picture of the rim, I think that the vase was damaged there and the rim has been filed down.
That is a serious damage and should be mentioned.
To understand if I am right, check the rim. It must be glazed, but I believe that you will not see the glaze there because it has been filed.
I believe that there was a red mark on the base that has been erased.
Giovanni
Sorry Giovanni, I was not aware of it. What is the original shape?
I see you have taken down the listing now .
Giovanni means , I think , that the vase was damaged and someone has removed a section of the whole rim, a few millimetres or possibly more, so the shape has not changed , but the vase is damaged/reduced.
Also according to Giovanni, the middle of the the base which is unglazed and scratched may have had the red CHINA or Made in China mark , which someone has removed. If it said Made in China it would date to after 1920, so not Qing.
tam
by the style, age and bottom only. How old do you think it is? I think it looks older than republic qianjiang vases I've seen. I've also seen qianjiang vases on rob michiels auctions with red tongzhi and guangxu marks dated 19/20th century.
too bad it is damaged, I thought it looked pretty nice...
Do you think a whole section was removed or a few millimeters ? I think it would look odd with a much longer neck....
I can't date this , but from the colour of unglazed footrim and exposed paste, grey rather than biscuity or white, I would be inclined to say C20th rather than C19th.
According to Goteborg , qianjiang was originally a style of landscape painting, which this vase is not, so that also might suggest a later date, when the style was copied for scenes with people.
By the way , someone may have also removed or erased two chinese characters from one of the poems... it could be a manufacturing flaw or later damage, and I don't know why anyone would rub out two characters, but there is a definite gap and smudged ink where two characters should be.
It's hard to tell how much of the rim has been removed , but you would think there was some white glazed space above the foliage, so several millimetres or centimetres.
tam
Dears Springmeier and Tam,
yes that was exactly what I meant. I too think that the missing part at the rim is no less than 1 cm.
When I saw the vase, in searching for the date that very often is there on this type of vases, I too noted the two missing characters and thought that, considering also the erased inscription on the base, someone did try to avoid the possibility of dating the vase.
I believe that moist probably the two missed characters was the date; perhaps ji you, 1909.
The vase looks not earlier, perhaps a bit later, somewhere between 1909 – 1920.
Giovanni
Also the backmark even if it has CHINA on the back does not mean it is not republican by any means. A select few CHINA marks can go back to the 19th century. I am guessing a previous owner did not like the look of having the commercial backmark on the base.
Look forward to your listing when you get it all sorted out 🙂
sold yesterday for 1025 cad. More than what I expected for a damaged vase.
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