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Dear all,
I found this nice celadon crackle plate on Catawiki :
Its base has dark brown glazed pin marks, is this common on "GeYao" ? How can we tell it is from YongZheng period ?
Thanks.
regards,
Yiow
Hi,
These glazes are very attractive. I have no idea if this is authentic but may I ask, out of interest, what are the 7 brown dots for? If they were kiln supports, they would be called that; would they even be needed with an unglazed foot rim?
So, were these elements taken from an earlier period just as decoration, or as a tribute to the exquisite porcelain of those earlier times?
Julia
Julia makes a very good point. The brown 'spur' marks, which are droplets of brown glaze, have been added for effect. I do not think they're done convincing, either, which makes me think this is a modern piece.
The foot rim is not what I would expect to see in a genuine Yongzheng piece, either.
My opinion is that the lure of finding a genuine GeYao porcelain is extremely high among collectors right now with all the buzz surrounding the high sales of Song pieces, and since the overall crackle glaze is fairly easy to reproduce in a convincing manner, the fakers are flooding the market with the hopes of catching unsuspecting buyers.
I read on Gotheborg.com that:
"...during the Qianlong period this feature was a deliberate occurrence even if the item wasn't actually fired on supports to simulate the archaic look, i.e. Song copies or those wares inspired by them."
This might have been done here with the brown glaze spots...
I think this plate is a very fine piece. It convinces me so far, also looking at the other pieces the seller offers
best regards
with Best Regards...
Carsten
@Chye Leong Yiow
First off this is just my impression of the plate looking at the puctures...
The crackling appears to be natural, not in a pattern. A pattern of crackling would make it most likely a later copy with evenly applied chemicals to form the crackles.
when you look at the picture from the glaze you notice slight, faint crackles in a brown color. These form over time depending on the type and thickness of the glaze.
the base has a whiter crackle glaze that can be found on several 18th century pieces.. for example:
http://elogedelart.canalblog.com/archives/2009/12/31/16336299.html
I think it was "en vogue" back then.
With best regards
Carsten
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Hi Carsten & Greeno107,
Thank you for your comment. This washer from the same seller is stated from the same period, however, its' glazed base colour is similar to its body(not white) and it has no spur marks.
Given same asking price, personally I like the first piece better.
regards,
Yiow
Yiow,
Have you tried finding a single Yongzheng period ge-ware bowl or brush wash from a major auction house or museum?
I've looked briefly and found nothing. That should be a red flag.
You know, ge-ware was always considered very special, so in the Yongzheng and Qianlong, these pieces were produced by the imperial kilns and almost all have reign marks, and are vases.
I have seen some ge vases attributed to 18th without marks, but I'm not sure anything definitive can prove or disprove that they are not just good quality 19th c. pieces, especially if they have faux bronzed foot rings.
I'm just suggesting you proceed with caution for the kind of money I see these pieces being sold for.
Good luck!
Can you publish the first half (entire) of the quote along with who from gotheberg.com is making this statement?
Thank you.
@greeno107 This is from the Gotheborg website. They have a nice glossary...
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Christies 2004. Someone got a bargain.
With the price quoted on Catawiki I’d be inclined to get a written agreement that it can be returned if examined by an expert and considered not genuine.
Vic
@detuned Thank you. Here is my concern with your partial quote....
Gotheburg.com specifies only one type of Yongzheng porcelain known to have reproduced spur marks:
"From the Yongzheng period Chinese porcelain copying Japanese porcelain (Deshima plates) are found also with spur marks."
Then, in the Qianlong period it became a component of Song style pieces:
"During the Qianlong period this feature was a deliberate occurrence even if the item wasn't actually fired on supports to simulate the archaic look, i.e. Song copies or those wares inspired by them."
This quote appears to support my position, that the Yongzheng ge-ware pieces in the sale are not genuine, or at least not Yongzheng.
So, could they be Qianlong?
No.
The dabs of glaze that vaguely resemble a spur mark.is a far cry from the finest workmanship that Qianlong artisans would have performed while honoring the Song dynasty. The center dab is even off centered.
Qianlong spur marks actually look like real spur marks, as stated in gothebug.com, they were even fired on stands just to recreate the effect.
We need to maintain a high level of skepticism in this field we've chosen to pursue.
Best to all!
One more thing...
Why is the crackle fine on the bottom (guan) and open the sides and interior(ge)?
That's weird.
I've seen those simulated spur marks on antique ge/guan type pieces before. Did a quick search and found this example. You can probably find more examples if you search more carefully. https://www.arcimboldo.cz/en/auctions/chinese-art-antiques-1/krakelovany-talir
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