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Please share your thoughts on an item like this. It's a very well done(in my opinion) Japanese item by a famous potter, mid 20th c. It seems that pieces like this do not really have a market right now, what to do with it, selling it for 10-20usd or holding on to them for another decade in hope the market for this kind of items will emerge.
Thank you
Spartakos
From a collecting and business point of view i would suggest buying as many good quality Japanese porcelain items as you can for 10-20 dollars .. Buy now when the prices are so low and you should have an excellent investment .
Just my point of view but if i was offered pieces like that for that money i would snap them up.
Carl
I agree with Carl...and with Peter. Great time to buy Japanese. Seeing Japanese items of similar quality to Chinese, and bringing a tenth of the price...it just can’t last. There is no real basis for the discrepancy. I’d label it as something similar to a fad. And fads come and go....
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
This covered bowl looks to me like a mass produced item , not hand painted but printed ; also the porcelain has that modern C2oth or later feel of factory moulded wares rather than hand turned or potted.
I think the Japanese mastered techniques of porcelain mass production and machine production much earlier than the Chinese so most Japanese C20th porcelain is only worth collecting if you like it , not for investment - too many about and not hand crafted. So I don't think they are undervalued.
Japanese prices (for quality and older antiques) may never recover to the prices during the 1980s bubble, but who knows in 20 years what will happen. Prices for Chinese antiques look over-valued now , but the bubble keeps getting bigger with many 'investors' chasing few quality and rare items.
tam
On what Tam said, i too saw this as mainstream modern but the fact Spartakos mentioned a famous Potter that I assumed that the question of undervalued Japanese art was a very a good question, Certainly i would love to know the answer to that. I have many meiji era Japanese and some later meiji- Tashio era items. These I hope will gain value... including Kutani, Satsuma, Noritake, Koyoto Satsuma vase and Imari.
However I did wonder how Spartakos knew that this item was from a famous potter as it does not have anything all that special about it. The design is interesting and Colours etc but well, even with an upsurge in Japanese Art, this item would only move based on the fame of the potter.
Dear All
Thank you for your replies, I am certainly a novice and only been involved in antiques for under a year, but thanks to the forums and people who are willing to share their experience it is a very exciting hobby.
Now regarding this item, I might of course be wrong but under x35 magnification I can clearly see the individual brush strokes of the outlines and details, the leafs and other parts on the other hand look like glaze itself, I figured it was another technic I saw when the coloured glaze applied and fired in the kiln. It really looks printed untill you use a loupe.
The seal was recognized by someone on getheborg belonging to late Meiji-Showa period potter who studied in China and won multiple awards and competitions also been a supplier of Japanese royal family. He established a kiln in Kyoto focusing on tea ware.
Certainly hope the market will pick up at least for the edo-meij period pieces as I definitely will keep collecting items across SE Asia.
Thanks again everyone and best of luck.
Spartakos
I agree with Carl...and with Peter. Great time to buy Japanese. Seeing Japanese items of similar quality to Chinese, and bringing a tenth of the price...it just can’t last. There is no real basis for the discrepancy. I’d label it as something similar to a fad. And fads come and go....
Todd
Mostly lurker here but I just wanted to chime in. I am a long time dealer in Japanese porcelains. Mostly 19th century, bleeding a little into the adjacent decade either way. Through the late 90s (tail end of their lost decade) all the way through up until the 2000s financial crisis I was able to do a very brisk business. So good that I managed to fully stock and sell from an antiques case in the biggest antique shopping center in Japan and had their most visible display case. I've never even been to Japan. When someone here mentioned that prices were 1/10th of what they once were they aren't kidding.
I believe it was Peter who mentioned somewhere that he used to be able to buy a piece at a west coast art show and have it sold with a tidy profit (into the tens of thousands) by the time he landed. Japanese porcelains were also that good at the time. I could pick up a nice piece for less than a thousand dollars and have it sold in a few days for over $10,000.
I think even if Japan's economy recovers yet again and their fever to reclaim their lost heritage (by way of art) recovers you will still not see the enthusiasm or prices that Chinese porcelains enjoy. There is a much longer, deeper history that you can see by way of a robust world wide collecting base alongside a real heritage in collecting Chinese art. For example, you can find countless old books and auction catalogs orn Chinese art. There is a fraction of that for Japanese art. I'd say looking at old auction catalogs you'd see a ratio of about 1 Japanese sale to 4 Chinese sales when things were good, now I'd bet we're a little closer to 1 in 10. The high end on Chinese art is so much higher and broader than Japanese art as well.
So, I think from an art perspective I say this...buy what you love, there are many quality Japanese pieces out there at incredible prices. So incredible in fact that I can't make any money on dealing Japanese porcelains any longer. However, even when Japanese art is booming it cannot match the vibrancy of the Chinese art market so it's unlikely you will see sales on par with the Chinese market. That's not to say that you won't be able to turn a profit on those Japanese pieces as an investment but from a historical perspective I believe the Chinese art market has the Japanese art market beat.
Thank you so much for so informative post. I agree ,Chinese were at the front of technic development and style forming, so the rest could follow. And therefore can't be compared price wise or by historical significance to Japanese or Korean pieces. On the bright sight seeing how the chinese market is riddled with fakes of various quality it really takes knowledge to be able to navigate it.
Japanese on the other hand is not as much, most fakes are not sophisticated and easy to detect, also the price of a mistake is comparatively low.
Antiques are very fascinating hobby and thanks to experts like you a novice like me can learn and grow.
Best regards
Spartakos
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