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Very nice find Peter, I just happen to flick through some old catalogues this evening. In the Roger Keverne catalogue from winter 2005 there is a similar one on sale for £15,000. That is a retail price of course but even so, 12-13 years ago. Cheers, franky.
I'm always looking for things like this from China, Japan and Korea.
On occasion, due to condition, the reduced value is crazily disproportional as many buys immediately move on if the pieces aren't absolutely perfect. Back in the 80's and early 90's condition was important but wasn't as negative an influencer as it's become with Chinese buyers setting the standard at such an irrational level. It's starting to change however as perfect pieces go so far beyond the reach of average collectors.
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Peter
Thanks Shinigami And Peter for your tips on hairlines. I have always been afraid I make them myself. I need to check for that glue because I am not familiar with that ( I live In europe). That pot is wonderful peter. I had not seen that on your newsletter ?
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Lian
It was in the News Letter a few weeks ago. It came from the same seller who had the collection of Kangxi blue and white from a collection in France. The pot was from the same consignor. They had described it as 19thC or something, which I think threw some folks off. Inaccurate dating by sellers can produce some great bargains at times. Always double check if the date being given makes sense. Ditto for things listed as Japanese which are Chinese and items listed as Chinese but are in fact Japanese.
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Peter
Thanks Peter. I sometimes have difficulties with the news letter. Maybe I forgot but I always look at your weekly video. In fact, It is my favorite wake up routine on saturday morning with my cup of coffee and your video. But sometimes I see things in there that I did not see in the ebay list. As i follow a lot of auction houses too, it might be that I just forgot or that it did not draw my attention.
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Lian
Hello Liam,
SOmething I say often on the weekly video fairly often is when you come across something ALWAYS drop a bid on it. Even if it's only a couple dollars over the highest bid. For example, an item might be at $100 with 3 to 8 days to go, put in a bid of just $105, you're very unlikely to get it at that amount, however it gets you in the system on eBay for enhanced reminders.
You can always come back later and put in a serious bid, but it keeps you automatically reminded by eBay when you get on the site. On occasion, you might even get something at an absurdly low price, as happened with the wine pot. I had left $1,000 on it as a starting bid.
It works much better than the eBay "Watch List", which I constantly forget about.
best Peter
Peter
Hello Peter,
yes you are right. I have missed nice things because I did not make a bid but put them in my watch list.
I have a question for you on your newsletter. This morning I watched your video again and again I saw things that I did not see in the newsletter. I am thinking i am doing something wrong. So what I look at is I klick on the newsletter, scroll down, and check all the items you have listed there. Is there another place I should look ?
Thanks
Lian
Hi all: This is an important topic. I think every collector has to decide how much damage to a genuine antique item is acceptable. I find that I can tolerate drill holes in the bottoms of vases, for example, because I cannot see them. Also minor hairlines and minor enamel losses that are not conspicuous don't bother me much. However, when an otherwise attractive and genuine item has lost a specific characteristic of its identity I find that somewhat troubling. I found such an item up for auction on eBay recently. This is a figurine (See eBay link) apparently of the Daoist immortal Lan Caihe, who is typically portrayed as an androgynous youth with the twin buns on his head. The missing element in his hand would have been a wicker flower basket containing fruit or flowers (see image below). I have in my possession another example of this immortal showing the basket (see image below). I think the figurine up for auction is very lovely and probably dates from the second half of the nineteenth century. However, I cannot make up my mind whether to bid or not because the absence of the basket might bother me. Also, I wonder whether such an absence does not significantly detract from the value of the item? I would appreciate the thoughts of other forum members.
Errol
Yes Errol, I totally agree with you. The statue without the basket is nothing I would buy. Every time you look at it, you think: there's something missing. You would never be happy with it. The Chinese themselves say in their feng shui philosophie that things should be in good order, because if there's a flaw it always attracts your attention and detracts a little bit of energy from you. Sounds esoteric, but I think it is also true, at least in my experience.
Birgit
My two cents, I like items that are not perfect. It brings that bit of authenticity and a sense of age to a piece. A four or five hundred year old piece of porcelain should have some flaws in my view. The fact that a bowle, plate, or what have you, has survived intact and that it was once used as intended in my view makes the item better than the perfect museum or investment item. Minor flaws, flee bites (fritting) , glazing cracks, brings the prices down to a level that ordinary people, with limited budgets can afford.
No need for antiques of any age to be limited to the wealthy who see antiques as investments only.
Hi Ron and Shinigami: You might be surprised that I agree with both of you! When an item is almost perfect that is wonderful indeed especially if it has survived for 200-300 years. However, such perfection always makes one wonder whether the item was not perhaps made 5 years ago! I also think that a bit of wear and tear does lend more authenticity to an item. I suppose though that each of us (and we will all differ) will have a cutoff point at which the degree of damage or loss becomes unacceptable no matter how nice or old the item is. I agree too that very few can afford the perfect items on auction at Christie's and Sotheby's. With all its disadvantages and its abetting of the sale of fakes, eBay has to a large extent democratized the Chinese art business. In the old days I used to buy at New York City galleries where I had to vastly overpay. I therefore eventually stopped collecting. The advent of eBay made it possible for me to start collecting again and I have some modest pieces of which I'm extremely fond but which no museum or major auction house would ever touch.
Errol
By the time you see the News Letter video, the things in it are objects from the previous week which are removed at the end of the week. SO if you go back and look, it will no longer be there on the site. The weekly look back at prices realized on eBay images are all pulled and tabbed from the News Letter itself before they are replaced.
It can seem a bit confusing.
Best Peter
Peter
ErrolL, I like your term ‘democracized’ in reference to Ebay. It certainly does make it easier, even with the down sides to ebay.
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