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As a newby, I am uncertain what damage (even minor) does to an items value. Does drilling through the base even though it is not visible unless upended significantly affect value? Do hairline cracks (even though the item is still intact) affect its value? Do repairs impair the sale amount?
Hello Bripan
yes to some to some degree if it a conman piece it would be more and depends on damages
if it a rare piece and of high quality imperial piece it will be over look to some degree.
In terms of condition Chinese porcelain can be seen either like baseball cards, or whether their decorative value is intact. Perfection is the best for investment in my opinion (largely due to the fact that as time progresses, more and more pieces will become damaged, making the good condition pieces progressively scarce) but sometimes I come accross a piece that is decoratively brilliant so I would like it for that reason.
Also as John says, the more rare an item is the more its condition is overlooked. If you have an item that is already common, why would somebody bother paying much for a damaged example when good condition examples are abundant? This leads to the price plummeting.
Now in terms of value it is hard to say, it is hard to find an exact price for most pieces of Chinese porcelain, let alone with different degrees of damage. I will say that if you auction damaged Chinese porcelain you do risk selling them for almost nothing, though you might get good prices sometimes, so it is quite a risk, in contrast pieces that are in good condition tend to achieve more consistant prices. If you are selling a damaged piece, I think the best thing you can do is to make it as presentable as possible, as if it has had a messy repair for example it is not even decorative.
The 'buy it now' format might be more viable for a lot of damaged pieces.
Typically, any damage to porcelain impacts value in varying degrees. This includes wear and nicks to enamels all the way to full blown restorations. If you're a collector without a fanatical obsession regarding the condition and view collecting as an interest and passion more so than being an investment, you'll find much more to enjoy for it's own sake.
I only buy to keep what fascinates me to my core, they speak to me. Some of them are perfect and others are imperfect due to age and accidents. Just this week I got a great piece that had some condition issues, BUT is a very rare form and type. So I was delighted to buy it. When you visit museums, you'll often see things that are far from perfect but are worthy due to rarity and beauty.
Best Peter
Peter
Good morning,
I recently found a vase that someone turned into a lamp so I did some research and found this article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144172/4m-Ming-vase-turned-lamp-sells-550-000.html
Pretty amazing how a small hole can affect the value in such a big way. Just thought it was interesting.
Best,
GoodwillHunter
Goodwill,
I remember that story, the vase actually might been worth a good bit more as it is an extremely rare form. It also had more damage than just a hole in the base, it had another in the top and some cracks in the body. In perfect condition, it could have been perhaps one of the two or three most expensive porcelains ever sold. i.e. 20 to 30 million US.
A couple years ago Skinner in Boston sold a vase for $24.7 million that had all kinds of repairs and damage, a purported Qianlong vase. However many had doubts about it's age, some thought it was more likely Jiaqing. Due mostly to the sloppy work on the bottom. Poor quality enamels underneath, then the shape of the foot and a burned/blistered reign mark. The mishaped completley flat foot rim was a particular concern to many. The mark was also thought by many to be proportionally too small. Many who handle regularly Qianlong Imperial pieces couldn't imagine a piece not being destroyed with these types of problems when done. Despite all of this it made a huge price.
And so it goes.
Best, Peter
Best Peter
Peter
hi everyone, wow, what a beautiful vase that is you have shared peter, never saw one like it before. I dont think damage particularly small chips and frits have much effect on price. Even broken, I mean in several pieces or more command good money. I myself bid on a jar with a completely broken lid, it was in about 20 pieces with awful brown glue showing all over, which of course can be repaired to much higher standards these days, my last bid was 4 grand and if I'm not mistaken hammered at 7 grands and something. So like peter said damaged porcelains can still command huge sums of money, particularly if one of the groups reclaiming Chinese heritage pieces and art is in the room bidding:)
joe carazola
Thank you all for your comments, most helpful. There alway seems to be a plentiful supply of items that were once turn into lamps.
Can I also thank the members of this group, without whom, amatures like me would only be looking on from the sidelines, not prepared to participate. The fear of being conned by a fake is somewhat balanced by the knowledge at hand.
Regards
Brian
I actually wonder, how does a piece get hairlines ? I have some Kangxi "perfect" items and I am now wondering how I can prevent that these will get hairlines? is that due to temperature changes?
Kind regards
Lian
Hi Lian,
as far as I know there sometimes is a tension inside the porcelain which comes from manufacturing. When the piece is handled without care e.g. set hard on a surface this tension discharges and causes a hairline to appear. As long as you handle your Kangxi porcelain with care nothing should happen. I suppose it's not submitted to extreme daily temperature changes in your house.
Existing hairlines however can get worse with time, as I noticed on my favourite Qianlong plate. When I touched it last time I heard some crackling as if the sides of the hairline were moving against each other. I cleaned the crack and filled it with liquid superglue, which may not be the best solution, but it helped.
Best regards,
Shinigami
Birgit
One method of stabilizing hairlines is to gently heat the piece with a blow dryer and then run a light bead of "Crazy Glue" along the hairline and let it dry. The liquid form seems to work beter than the Gel. It should soak into most cracks enough to keep it from growing and getting worse. It is also reversible should the piece ever need more work. Crazy Glue actually makes their own solvent for removing it if needed.
Best Peter
Peter
On the issue of damage, as I mentioned above, recently I bought a pretty terrific "unperfect piece" on eBay for a very reasonable price. It's Kangxi Blanc De Chine wine pot.
These do turn up once in a while, they are of a nice size and pretty heavy at around 8 inches tall. Most have a rounded fixed porcelain handle, this one has a squared handle similar in style to the Famille Verte pots made during the period.
Anyway, these in perfect condition sell typically at auction for $8,000 to $12,000. The one I bought on eBay a couple weeks ago came to me for around $350. (incl shipping) No, it's not perfect, a nick to the spount and some lines along the section which receives the cover hence the metal collar. But then, it is over 300 years old and seems a reasonable purchase.
Click to view a few more. (on Dealer Nicholas Fournery's site)
Best Peter
Peter
hi peter and all, really like your new antique (RELIC) teapot, very auspicious:)
joe carazola
Its an interesting example and I'm glad to have it "warts and all". Actually getting it repaired would be pretty reasonable and would probably be worth doing down the road. But for now, it will stay as is with it's boo boo's. I have perfect pieces and "orphans", they deserve a good home.
Best Peter
Peter
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