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Hi Avion,
We had a discussion the other day regarding a seller who had an item on the Bidamount list which I could find by following the link on Bidamount but when I searched his/her other items on eBay UK it was showing me that he/she had no items for sale whatsoever! Others here were able to see that he/she had a number of items for sale!
It’s all very odd.
Nic
Hi Avionsunantiques,
It is not that items on ebay.com does not pop up in searches from ebay Italy. The items from Joanie does not appear because he/she is not shipping to Italy. That is the only reason.
I think this ebay’s policy of having different platforms a crazy one. Ebay Italy has very low visibility, so one like myself is forced to sell on ebay.com, with a lot of problems.
Anyway, the reason for having yourself low Italian bidders is because of the Custom. Italian Custom always add taxes on everything coming from USA, and nobody knows in advance the amount of that. It should be proportional to the value of the object, but you just receive the parcel with a request top pay a certain amount, regardless what you have paid it. it can happen that you have to pay more than the value of the object. If I sell something to a Chinese buyer living in USA, and ebay forces me to refund him because he alleged a stupid excuse like “I thought that it was bigger”, I have to pay import taxes for something mine, that has gone to USA and it comes back.
Back to Joanie, he/she bought a large number of items from the estate of my friend Mike Vermeer that has been auctioned at incredibly low prices. Then she resell them on ebay, which is not a problem, but apply his stickers on items that no doubt were not in the estate.
Giovanni
A point above was made about the wood stand in this listing.
Here is a bit of info that I found very helpful when it was explained to me, many years ago. I share it here for those who may not be aware.
Wood has a grain. When wood ages, it shrinks. However it shrinks more across the grain, than it does along the grain.
The result is when a wood stand is made (if the top is from one piece of wood), it starts out round. However as it ages, it will start to become oval, because of the asymmetric shrinkage. The difference is routinely 1/8 - 1/4 inch on a 4 ish inch stand for example. If you see a wood stand that looks old, see if its round. If it is, its either made from multiple pieces of wood with grains going in different directions, or its not that old. This info is particularly useful when looking at items (like footed bronzes for example), that have a wood stand with specific places for each foot. As time passes, and the wood stand ages, it will no longer match up with all the bronze feet (thats a good sign).
This is also why if you look at an antique round tilt top table made in the Georgian or Victorian period, the top will be oval - and the older, the more oval.
Dear Giovanni,
Here that search by the number option does not work either ( I am in the Netherlands) but if you google Ebay plus the number you do get it 🙂
I found this one , the censer which Avionsunantiques mentioned in that way : https://www.ebay.com/itm/V-FINE-ANTIQUE-CHINESE-GOLD-GILT-BRONZE-DRAGON-FIGURAL-CENSER-BOWL-MARKED-STAND-/202619202431?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
Kind regards
Staartmees
Dear Giovanni,
Something else, you do not need to pay import taxes on antiques. Italy is part of the EU en for antiques over 100 years old import duties are zero. You only have to pay VAT and the lower amount. If an ebuyer sends something back to you, you also should not pay import duties. You have to instruct that person to clearly indicate on the package it is a return ( via customs) than you again do not pay import duties but also not VAT ( in the case of the return). When you buy something from the US you have to aks them to clearly put in the description it is an antique item over 100 years old with tariff code 970600090. Than even in Italy it should work 🙂 !
Kind regards
Staartmees
Dear Avionsunantiques,
Do you have a link to that local auction where the censer was sold for 2300 ? I assume they had an online catalogue?
Thanks
Staartmees
Dear Staartmees,
Thank you but there is a big difference between you and me. The fact is that I live in Italy, a nice Country where things simply doesn’t work. ?
There is no difference in importing antiquities or not, regardless what said by European Community rules, what happen is always the same. Everything coming from USA pay Custom duties. We are so well organized in order to make our citizens happy with the Public Administration, that when you receive a parcel you also receive a payment request, with no indication at all on what it is based. You simply have to pay, regardless if the amount is correct or not. On which basis are them requesting you to pay a certain amount, if hey do not know how much you paid the content?
If you would like to know on which basis the duties has been calculated, you simply have no way to contact the Custom’s offices. You must contact the Post offices, which in turn will send your request to the Custom offices, and at that point you are totally lost, because the Post say that they did their job and it is the Custom that have to answer, while the Custom simply ignore you.
It is a real pleasure.
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
you are not alone! UK customs can be equally awkward, maybe not as bad, but when it does happen it is awful.
Regardless of customs laws, if they decide they want to charge you, they will. They then make it as difficult and as possible for you to appeal their decisions.
If this was not the case, there would be no need for this loophole in their guidelines:
I will add that in such cases, it makes no difference what the seller writes on the customs documentation. They can (and do) choose to ignore it.
Nic
Dear Giovanni and Nic,
I see opportunities for a business ! You ship the item to me and I will ship it to you.
I will only ask half of what the Italian or uk customs will ask hahahahaha !
In the Netherlands import fees are zero and VAT is 9%. They charge an administration fee of 7 euro.
I can ship it to you registered and insured depending on the size, between 15 and 23 euro.
If it is wrongly done here too it will take about 2 months to get it back but I will get it back. But normally they do the correct thing.
But seriously, whenever you see something really interesting it might be an option to send it to me, and me to you. Guess it will save you money if the item is a bit more expensive ( not worth the shipping costs for a cup of 100 euro's, unless you bought it for 100 and it is worth a 1000).
Kind regards
Staartmees
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