Hello,

once again, the same than in another thread where you have posted a number, there is no way to find it on ebay.

You should post the link to the auction.

Giovanni

If you search that ebay listing number, you'll find it.    

I shall try a http link 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/EXCEPTIONAL-CHINESE-FAMILLE-ROSE-TURQUOISE-GROUND-ENAMEL-JIAQING-PORCELAIN-VASE/352641083443?hash=item521b0be833:g:H3wAAOSwtx1csTtb

Maybe get an appraisal from Bidamount. It is $12/ 

Hi all,

The second to last photo reveals the brutality of decorations - the lines are not straight, not painted in one smooth move but joined and corrected plus the shading is very bad, it's quite terrible.

Did they have/use colour palette like that in Qing (even late)??

I think it's quite far from Qing. People's Republic??

The wooden stand seems older than the vase itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Regards,
Adrian

Hello,

if I said that the search by the item number didn’t work in my case, it is because I did try it.

It is obvious, what else should have I done if not that, in your opinion?

Ebay is not performing in the same way in all Countries.

For example, the seller in object here, who is another one that shamefully mix authentic and fake items, does not ship to Italy, (why? Perhaps someone from Italy accused him/her of not being honest?) so his/her items do not appear by searching for the number.

Giovanni

I think the bat looks strange. 

Some of the lines are badly drawn as Adrian says, and I also find the colours rather harsh and some of the green is jarring.

It is a very pretty vase but I would expect it to be exquisite.

This seller was mentioned in the forum before in connection with a suspected fake. They even created two new accounts to defend themselves. It was quite a funny discussion, I wish I knew how to link to it. If you use the forum’s search function and enter „Joanie“ you will find it. Scroll down to the third topic. 

No need to pay anyone $12 - I know exactly what it is.   My curiosity has more to do with the reaction of others.

It has what I call spray gun paint on the inside of the foot rim and inside the mouth - and not the manual blow through a straw version!

My eyes were opened to this seller years ago when he/she bought a cracked celadon vase from me on ebay for $60ish dollars.    The crack went from top to an inch off the bottom.   I'd bought it myself for $20 at a local auction, and $60 was a reasonable price for the piece.    They then relisted it in an ebay auction starting at $9.99.   But instead of calling it what it was, this time it was described as the finest example of its kind they had ever seen, and suggested it came from the Imperial Kiln, with some associated provenance if I remember correctly (lol).    The auction ended for about $2000 ish.

A few weeks ago they sold a bronze censer via ebay auction for $14500 ish.    That piece was in a traditional auction about 2 weeks prior - I was interested, so I travelled there to examine it in person.     It turned out to be an assembled piece.   Someone had put a mark on a metal disk, and wedged it inside the footrim, and then attempted to artificially age the result.    The auction house knew this, which is why their estimate was either 100-200 or 200-300.    Someone bought it online for about $2300.    I remember thinking someone's going to regret buying that!     Two weeks later this seller listed it on ebay stating "By the amazing qualities I would not be surprised if this censer was Imperial workshop related" (but omitted any mention of the "modifications")    They also claimed "The censer came from the estate with this later stand that I have included" - it wasn't an estate, and it didn't come with a stand!       You can see it for yourself on ebay, number 202619202431 (you'll have to put that number into ebay's search).

This site promotes itself as a way of helping potential buyers avoid these kinds of mistakes - there is a Chinese MD in my home town who apparently has a whole house full of fakes from that place.    I say apparently, because it was another dealer friend who told me, after the Dr (who we both know), proudly invited him over to see his "collection".     My dealer friend didn't have the heart to tell him.    I feel awful every time I see him.

Its interesting how the 9.99 auctions work so well with Chinese bidders - its almost as if the other bids authentic the piece.      Often if you try and sell them the same thing at a fixed price, they won't touch it, thinking somehow you are trying to rip them off.    

Have you read the description? Even the stand is ‘likely of the Imperial workshop’... apparently!

I mean, you all know that I know next to nothing about Asian art, but if that stand is from the Imperial workshop it must’ve been ‘bring your kids to work day’.

Beware listings that are all hyperbole and no substance.

Nic

Given the price of wooden stands (I always buy them on AliExpress since they are so expensive elsewhere) it probably cost them more than the vase. 

Hello,

Sorry but I think that you have not read my previous post. There is no need to say that “You can see it for yourself on ebay, number 202619202431 (you'll have to put that number into ebay's search).”, as if someone doesn’t know how to perform a search. Ebay is not acting the same way everywhere, as I told you.

Anybody knows how to perform a search; the fact is that it doesn’t work the same way everywhere.

Said that, I fully agree with you. That seller is a fraudulent one. It doesn’t matter if he/she sells also some genuine items, the fact that they sell fakes, perfectly knowing that they are fake, hence in bad faith, should be more than enough for being not worth to be mentioned on Bidamount.

If Bidamount goal is to help distinguish the good from the bad, it should be severe toward these guys, which are stealing YES, LITERALLY STEALING, a large quantity of money each month. Is it correct to advertise them?

I do not think so and I am clearly referring to Joanie and to Chamberlain. Shame on them, they are plain and simply vulgar thieves. Enough is enough.

Giovanni

Thanks for sharing the forum's historical discussion regarding this seller - I had a good chuckle.

I have a very low opinion of scammers.

Reminds me of another suspected scam associated with this seller.      Do you remember the Hoi An Hoard, and when it was put up for auction.    Every piece had an inventory number stuck to it.     I ended up buying quite a few of the vases etc.

They also had these tiny jarlets - 3/4 - 1 inch tall.    All of them also had their own inventory number.     If I remember correctly, they were auctioned off in groups of a dozen or so, and didn't bring much.

Some time later, the fake Hoi An stuff started to show up on ebay.      One day this same seller had a very nice piece on ebay auction.     I was looking at it on the computer screen with a dealer friend in his shop.      He had the Hoi An Catalogue handy, so we looked up the inventory number.     The inventory number on the sticker on this piece, corresponded to a tiny jarlet!     Someone had apparently taken the inventory label off a low priced jarlet, and stuck it on the base of a far more significant piece.     Only one reason to do that!

Sorry Giovanni, you are right, I had not seen your reply when I wrote the above.

It is fascinating how ebay's visibility varies.     

Its interesting to know that ebay.com items can not be seen on ebay when searched within Italy.     

This may explain why its been a while since I've had an Italian buyer!

I wonder which other Countries are unable to see ebay.com items.

I also agree that its disturbing that sellers who apparently knowingly try to misrepresent items on ebay, get away with it

I must add something else (rather angry this evening) that a great part on this shameful circus is taken by buyers.

It seems that there are a lot of buyers out there that are convinced that genuine antiques are only found at supermarkets.

Does it make more sense that it takes some time to a dealer, or antiquarian, or collector to find real antiques, than being able to sell hundreds of “antiques” per month? What makes more sense? It seems that, for many buyers, the latter makes more sense. Quite silly to say the least, real antiques are not supermarket items.

Giovanni