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Topic starter 12/03/2023 9:09 pm  

Hello, the glaze of some of my ceramics had lost its shine because of the marine exposure,

I apply on it a coat of mineral oil, is it ok to do so? is there on the market a better product for that purpose?

Thank you,

Fred


   
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13/03/2023 10:20 am  

I have never heard of anyone oiling their porcelain so can't help with that, but if it is ok I would like to say that I would leave them as they are.  If you try to restore the shine to shipwreck items it will be as though you are erasing some of their history.  Personally, I rather like the look they have and the story that tells.  If you are finding you don't enjoy that appearance, maybe you could sell them and buy some non-shipwrecked pieces.

That of course is just a politely meant suggestion.  I certainly don't mean to tell you what to do with your items, so I hope someone can advise you on what to use if you have already made up your mind. 😊 

 


   
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13/03/2023 11:17 am  

It is a good question, I agree with Julia, it is not a good idea. It's like oiling gemstones to improve their appearance or in ceramics a practice of putting oil in a ceramic to give it a more aged appearance (not in your case) but some nefarious fakers will do it. I too like the appearance of shipwrecked pieces, something never expected to see the surface again rescued from the Deep, of course in my romantic vision, the crew was rescued. The best book I've read thus far this year is The Night Ship by Jess Kidd, a fictional account of the wreck of the Dutch Ship Batavia, which has a Lord of the Flies vibe on steroids.


   
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13/03/2023 12:01 pm  

Hi Fred,

I agree with Julia & Sharon: oiling porcelain will just make it sticky, messy, and, over time, gummy.

The only thing one ought to oil is a Couroc tray.

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13/03/2023 4:05 pm  

@steve To the oil add vinegar, sugar, salt, pepper, dry mustard and whisk to blend, I like the hunt theme Anheuser Bush salad bowl set, probably a service anniversary award.


   
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Topic starter 13/03/2023 9:27 pm  

Hi, thank you for all the replies,

@Julia,   I am new in collecting porcelains. I am buying this kind of plates because first i want to avoid the fakes, also beacause they are cheap.

 I also like to clean them, i learn a lot on the way they are made, I find it more interesting than buying someting to strait put on a shelf.

I do this for my personal collection, not for selling of course, and also i will not serve a salad in that plate 😊

Fred

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14/03/2023 2:29 am  

I see; I wouldn’t eat off them either! Please be aware that there are faked shipwreck items on the market - probably a result of there having been quite a buzz around the sales of items from some wrecks and prices were high. 

Maybe another cheap option for learning is to buy damaged, non-shipwrecked plates etc? There are lots of 18th c plates on the market, either broken or with repairs that need tidying up. Trying to restore these may add some value, whilst helping preserve them for future generations. 😊 

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14/03/2023 3:36 pm  

@steve Is your mid-century Couroc of Monterey, California an Asian design like most of them illustrated seem to be when I Googled Couroc? Since they are resin (plastic) and they were used as household items, I suppose it would make scratches less noticeable? I did not receive any, but I did get a Monkey Pod set as a wedding gift about the same time period, still have the tropical print napkins but the Monkey Pod did not survive.


   
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@sharonp 

I have the "free cats" tray. When they get dull from washing/wiping off, they can be oiled to restore the luster. It works! I've done it!

I can't find the monkey pod design. It's amazing the variety of designs the made. One of the great husband-wife business ventures of the era, I'd say. And a good use of local woods and talent. One doesn't often think of Monterey and industry together except for maybe canning fish. 

Yes, the plastic used was first developed during WWII for airplanes. 

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14/03/2023 6:58 pm  

@steve Monkey pod was a wooden snack set from the sixties, most made in the Phillipines. Nice tray, I received a free cat from a good mid-century home in Jacksonville Beach. Kitty had to be downwardly mobile to a beach shack, landlady did not allow dogs but she was fine with cats. She lived to be 11 years old and moved many times, a lovely calico.


   
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