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Hi Everyone,
I noticed that the page at the V&A web site for a plate described as having a "Fitzhugh" border has three photos, one of which is a Nanking style plate (with Fitzhugh style border) the other two of a repaired plate with a Canton scene with a ribbon pattern.
URL: https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O437758/plate-unknown/
The repaired plate caught my eye because a few weeks ago I purchased a tureen with the same pattern that Peter said was an early or transitional example of Canton from around 1810-1820 and that its decoration was unusual. (I include photos of it here.)
I notified the V&A and will let you know if I hear back.
Warm regards and happy antique hunting!
-Steve
P.S. I love the V&A, by the way! I don't mean to be unduely critical of them with this topic; I just wanted to show off the tureen.
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navy blue tablecloth is a little dark without backlight; the grey works better. I will try again with a different backdrop.
Blue & white plate with "Fitzhugh" pattern border; the one from the V&A page. The interior circle matches Canton and Nanking patterns with landscapes with hermitages, mountains and water. Nature & humans coexisting.
Hi Birgit,
That's a good point, although they love applied arts, so a functional plate like that that was used in the home would be part of their collection. Note that it's not on display, but you would think that they'd find an intact example.
By the way, before I bought the tureen I hadn't noticed the ribbon trim pattern before, but right now there are a couple of examples for sale on Ebay, although of poorer quality. Here's one for sale right now for $139.00.
It's funny, I asked Peter about the tureen not because I didn't think it was authentic but because I was too exuberant and spent more than I intended, so I asked him if I overpaid. His response was tactful: "If you want nice things, you have to pay for them." 😆
Glad you like the tureen. Yes, I overpaid, but I look at it and enjoy it every day. It's also in good condition. Peter said many of the tureens have poor-fitting lids but this one is the original. I love the balustrade in the lid and the body; reminds me of the balustrades in export Kangxi ware.
@steve You are building a cohesive collection, a fine way to collect without being diverted. I wonder if the ownership of the broken plate had anything to do with why the V&A kept it? I hope they respond to your query and look forward to hearing the response. Enjoy the lovely tureen and your collection. Sharon
Hi Sharon,
Thank you! I really wanted a Qianlong tureen with landscapes but this one caught my eye; it's a little different. I am very happy with the condition as well.
I agree with you about the V&A plate; they specialize in objects with documented stories and provenance. It may just be a mediocre plate that's broken to an antique collector but to a historical curator it has added significance if they know who imported it. The blurb with the plate mentions its owner but it seems like they are referring to the other plate.
I love them! The handles and finials are very fancy. The pattern matters less than the execution and quality, doesn't it?
I was happy to see Canton prominently displayed in the Elms in Newport, RI - in the "Chinese" breakfast room - and in the Brown House in Providence, not to mention in the House of the Seven Gables in Salem. I think it was used for everyday food service among the upper class of the U.S. from the early 19th century 'till the early 20th.
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