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I know nothing about this bowl. But when I look at it it has a Qainlong feel. But of course it could not be.
Interesting item. Here is my newbie assessment. I question if the decoration stands up to being an early Qing piece of this stature. In the close ups it reveals some lacking in terms of refinement in the carving lines. The celadon color seems a bit too bright or too dark depending on which era compared to. Overall I feel the artwork on this piece is stiff compared to the other authentic examples posted. The scuffing on the footrim looks to me like it could have been done deliberately. For these reasons, I suspect it is more recent, but I really hope for your sake I'm wrong. At any rate, thanks for sharing it with us and let us know as you find out more. John
Here's a Qianlong celadon example just for kicks: https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2013/qing-imperial-porcelain-a-kyoto-collection-hk0492/lot.202.html
Funny coincidence! I was just researching a 15th C Ming celadon vase I purchased a few days ago. The lower body of the double gourd carved with chrysanthemums compares well with the meiping at the Palace Museum posted by Stuart. (Top part is carved with a single peony on each side.)
It has the same generous proportions as an important Ming Longquan double gourd vase sold at Christie's in 2007. The carved decoration of that one compares with the decoration of the Ming bowl from Christie's also posted by Stuart. https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-4876603
And also coincidentally this plate was available recently. I haven't really researched it so I can't say if it's authentic or not. But from the pictures it looks like it could be a good one. Unfortunately I didn't see what it sold for in the end. I just noted it was there and kept some pictures for reference.
While I did mention that I did not clean the foot, given the critique that the foot might have been artificially scuffed, I've gone ahead and cleaned it.
As you can see, the porcelain is of the finest quality, not any sign of impurities, and perfectly formed. This is not the work of the late Qing, a Republic tribute, nor modern fake, and if it is, I quit! If the fakes are this good, it's time to pack our bags and go home.
However, I concur...in comparing the examples of Yongzheng and Qianlong, the rendering of the lotus bouquet is not Yongzheng nor Qianlong like, and there is not record of the bouquet used during the Kangxi. And, looking at the foot... this is a Ming foot!
So, in this case, I think the most obvious route to explore better is the possibility that this is a Jiajing work. My understanding is that the long period of the Jiajing reign, and the huge demand for imperial production, that some pieces were outsourced to other kilns, and that there is in fact a great variance of designs that took place in this period.
I have not found the exact hex inner rim design (yet), but I do see similar designs in known Jiajing porcelain:
http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2016/07/15/34087942.html
The ruyi border around the bouquet is also a motif I was able to find on genuine Jiajing porcelain:
https://ferrebeekeeper.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/two-ming-bowls-featuring-beautiful-trees/
Note that the blue of my bowl in sunlight seems to be a match with this last example very closely.
So, it is the unusual combination of the designs, and the fact this is a bowl, not a plate, that is the real obstacle.
As for the celadon being too green... This is more a reflection of the bright direct sunlight coming through celadon glaze covering pure white porcelain. In diffused light (as shown in many of my photos), the color is fairly consistent with other known Ming celadon (longquan) pieces.
Let's kick this around a bit longer...still haven't heard back from Christie's ... Hong Kong sale must have them working overtime.
@greeno107 Does it exhibit any signs of age? Does it have any damage, even very minor? If so, can you show a close up?
This seems to be the same size bowl and shape of bowl as mine.
@johnshoe Several of the photos I've already posted show signs of age. To be honest, if you look at the photos posted on Christie's or Sotheby's, you'd be hard pressed to see any signs of 'age', wear, or damage, so I'm not sure what you are hoping to see from photos of wear.
And, as you're aware, artificial aging is long practiced deception, so the best judge of age is to confirm the design, form, paste, color, etc., with known examples.
In this regard, I think I've provided as much photographic evidence as can be expected.
@greeno107 The Christies example seems to have a more gradual taper which feels symmetrically elegant. The taper on yours seems sharper or a bit boxier, would you agree?
@johnshoe I disagree. The bowls have exactly the same shape proportions.
Here is a slightly smaller Jiajing bowl of the same shape that has the same theme (not the same exact design) of peony flower exterior decoration, and interior roundel panel on the base with a decorative band on the inner mouth. So, if later made, then the Jiajing mark does seem to make sense as an acknowledgement of the source of inspiration.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/important-chinese-art-n09393/lot.279.html
@greeno107 To my eye, the sides of your bowl seem to come up bit a straighter, but it could just be the angle that the pictures were taken that is causing it to look that way. I still have my doubts about this one, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. If it does turn out to be dated 18th or earlier, you have found a rare bird indeed.
Fingers crossed, it certainly is a lovely thing. I hope you hear from Christies soon. Sharon
Is it possible to get a photo of it sitting on a table. I’m not sold on Ming but would like to see the profile. I still think this was a Qainlong piece that was special ordered.
Hi Greeno -
This piece is very far from Jiajing period ...
The painting style alone discounts such an attribution. The execution of the exterior carving, and celadon tone that covers such, is also totally wrong. Wares from the Longquan kilns were in steep decline by this period, the bodies become thicker, the decoration more schematic, simplified and hurriedly executed and the glaze thinner and more transparent ...
Whilst auction viewing yesterday, I showed these bowl images to two old dealer/collector friends who specialise in Chinese ceramics and both of whom have over 40 years experience in this field ...
There opinion was that this piece was no earlier the 2nd half 20th C and post 1950's ...
Stuart
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