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@imperialfinegems it does have great quality and your friend is probably right maybe earlier since no made in.
Another image.
I really like these types of cloisonne. Apparently Ando Jubei brought the technique back to Japan. Immensely difficult to master.
Mark
@imperialfinegems In my opinion these works will only go up if studio marked or the quality is present. I really like the 3d pieces and layering which I think has been lost to time.
Plique a jour is so lovely and delicate. This was a terrific thread, thanks. Sharon
@lotusblack That is brilliant, well done. That is/was not too far from the standard price for silver wire cloisonne in general some years ago, you could get quite good quality silver wire cloisonne at around the £100 mark, it was always the well known artist studio cloisonne with the mysterious backmark that ran up the item in price, and I guess you hit the jackpot with your vase for sure. I not as often but still scour ebay cloisonne and it is now becoming much harder to find the Meiji quality cloisonne.
I am delighted prices are going up and that these are now more rare to find on the market. One gets exhuasted searching for rare treasures. It is good to just stuff everything into a cabinet and forget about them.
It always amazes me that such little value is place on some thing that takes so much effort to produce. Before machine polishing and commercially ground glazes, all this was done by hand, the wire bent by hand and secured to the blank form, the fill and firing and then the hand polishing, and all in limited quantities. And yet the old pieces have the same value as newer pieces.
A long time ago I spotted a form of cloisonné way out of the usual, it had no base form just the wire and Cloisonné looking like jewels with the light shining behind it. On enquiring it would seem the cloisonné was formed over a clay mould and then the clay was washed away with acid after firing, leaving only the cloisonné, it was a bowl maybe eight inches across, I have never seen another. If I do see another I would be highly inclined to buy.
Has any one seen such in the past or have any info to share.
Ron
@ronm It's interesting you mention this type because I just saw something like this very recently online somewhere for sale. I'm going to see if I can find it. At any rate, this week I was fortunate to get a behind the scenes tour with the curator of a local museum who has some great cloisonne examples, which was my first experience to view something of this grade in person. Below is the piece I was most smitten with. I could have looked at it for hours. The detail is astonishing. They date it to Qianlong. It is not marked, and I have inquired on this forum in the past about why cloisonne is almost never marked, even when it seems of imperial level, but nobody chimed in, so I'm still unclear about. This statuette below came from the same donors who gave them many other items that were purchased in England in the early 20th C, one of which is an Imperial lacquer chair from the summer palace that I also was lucky to view in person. After viewing this statuette in person I would not be surprised if it had been in the palace as well, although it is not known for sure. All I can say is that I have never seen any piece of art in person that impressed me more. It has been with this museum since the 1940's. They are not allowed to deaccession it per the donation terms, however this museum does not specialize in Asian art, so their beautiful collection sits in storage. It was a great honor to view the majority of it so closely and I hope to go back soon, as there were some items we didn't have time to get to even during a two hour visit.
That must have been a fascinating visit! I would love to do something like that.
I wish I could enlarge i the picture better on this screen, there are some interesting bits I would like to look closer at. Will look on the pc later. Thanks for posting it.
Well I answered my own question, and Mark has shown an example, plique a jour.
Dear all,
I like to see how this thread evolves. In my opinion the market for Japanese cloisonne is getting stronger now, after it was very weak since around 2010.
I was bidding on that vase as well. But with the 19% import tax in Germany it would have been too expensive in the end.
Since my last post I acquired two new pieces I´d like to show:
1. A pretty standard looking but undamaged and very small (ca 11 cm) ginbari vase
2. A large (30cm) classical flower vase which is signed and seems to be late meiji (around 1900) because of it´s rather European look (seller pictures).
If anyone needs help with marks etc you can ask me as I have a good reference book on japanese cloisonne.
Regards
Robin
Hello, Brian
Just like Japanese porcelain in Meiji period not all was marked.
Japan was better at marking there piece than China and I agree with you Japanese cloisonné was of better quality. John
@asiarob I'd love some assistance with this mark. It seems the piece was given as a gift in 1909 if the writing is accurate, but I have not been able to identify the original maker's mark. Please let me know if you have time to look and find it in your book. Also, what reference book do you have and is it available anywhere? Thanks! John
Hi Robin,
The seller was offering free shipping which was a bonus. Under normal circumstances I would have bought it for over the £1220 as it was in great condition. I agree with you that the Japanese market is slowly recovering. I really like plique-a-jour pieces. I only have one at the moment. And I paid very good money for it. In the right setting that vase is worth close to double the price sold on eBay.
I really like the black cloisonne vase you posted.
Hi Ron,
Happy you like my PLJ bowl. I wasn't sure if that was what you were referring to as I am not familiar with the actual process of producing PLJ atm. It's on my to-do-list.
Hi John,
My understanding is that most export wares were marked. Whereas local consumption was not for the most part. Ironically a lot of artists consigning or taking orders from large department style outlets that did not sign their pieces in most cases as directed to by the buyer/other. Very odd!
Same with Japanese screens. When you see one signed it's highly probable to be Meiji or later. The earlier were not signed etc. It was a insult apparently of sorts. Especially if it was for a shogun/imperial.
Mark
Well I answered my own question, and Mark has shown an example, plique a jour.
The type I saw looked very similar to this
It was in bent and missing a lot of cells, but he still wanted far too much.
Ron
Hi Ron,
There are a number of PLJ available. Personally I would not buy damaged or missing parts as the resell value is limited. I would also try to limit myself to earlier pieces if you'd budget allows.
The one you posted is OK and dated correctly. But the damage is a huge problem. There is currently a Meiji bowl with a lid. It's damaged but the price is reasonable.
If this was perfect the price would be in excess of $1500 usd +++. Retail about $3000usd.
He has had it for sale for a while so you may wish to enquire for further information and possibly lower price.
Mark
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