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This is up for auction here in Switzerland.
described as Large Bowl 19th cent.. Size 30 cm Diameter or 12 inches. Asking price is 420 Dollars.
can someone date this .
Regards from Switzerland
Martin
Hi Martin,
I don't feel comfortable recommending you buy this. I don't know if it ismthe amount of purple, the excessive use of dotted areas to avoid anything more complex and time-consuming, the slightly odd -ooking people, the lack of details in the scenes eg no flooring, but I just don't feel good about it.
I am sure someone will tell me if it is fine for the period (isn't there some other rose mandarin colourway, a rarer one with violet, I may be deaming), but I wouldn't spend my money on that. I much preferred the 19th c plate for 160 dollars that you showed us.
Julia
Do you know what the writing on the bottom says? It looks to be European but I can't see it clearly.
This is a late 20th c bowl or newer.
The style emulates famille verte export ware of the Daoguang / Tongzhi period of the 19th c. that often had panels depicting people in various place scenes.
This bowl falls short on quality and color, so it would not be money well spent.
https://www.waddingtons.ca/auction/ceramics-bronzes-clocks-lighting-jun-17-2010/gallery/lot/533/
One other possibility is that this is a Japanese Nippon copy, circa 1910. For a short period, Nippon porcelains did copy Chinese designs, but they lacked the sharpness and correct color scheme, and also have little to know collectors value.
Yes, look at the difference in detail. The other thing I forgot to add was that those aren't 19th c birds. You can see the difference in the ones on the bowl Greeno has posted.
@greeno107 i have this piece in my collection , that looks very simillar but much thicker enamel and better drawings
and the birds are nicer ...
regards Martin
That piece certainly looks to me to be the real deal, 19th c famille verte export quality. It is still a bit loosely rendered, but often is the case that there is a wide range of finesse in exportware.
Dear Martin, keep away from the bowl, it’s modern. The one you already own is very nice. The faces are a rather rare category (q17 for those who have the book) and can be dated to around 1880. I have just bought a vase in the same style and am waiting for it to arrive from France.
Birgit
Hi Martin,
I concur. This is not old, it's ultra modern. The figures are poorly painted. Evidence of thick black lines in line with later 20th century porcelain. The bowl does not have natural flow. Absolutely no evidence of soft flaws etc. Just look at the way the flowers are presented. It's a very jumbled depiction in my opinion.
Not sure but the base has a partial 'je' written on it. I have no idea what that is about.
Also it is my belief it's chinese and not Japanese.
DO NOT BUY THIS!
I like your bowl. Very pretty.
Mark
Hi Martin -
Not really my area but concur with Julia’s, Birgit’s and Mark’s opinions, this is modern and not good quality ...
Compare the painting style of the figures expressions, there posture or detail/shading of there clothes, or the drawing/colours of the rim flowers between the bowl already in your collection and the one for auction - the difference are obvious ...
Leave well alone ...
The bowl already in your collection is very nice ...
Stuart
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