Corey,

First, Your threads are long haul threads and take time to get to the substance of the discussion you are generating. Hence the tedium forces a desire for you to satisfy the purpose of your thread and post a picture of your vase.

Further, you are testing the waters with a good selection of similar type's of vases in order to generate a better overall appraisal shoudl you post a picture of your vase and at the same time generating a discussion the topic to try gather information to help your own personal assessment of your vase, This might be viewed as slightly selfish or tedious.

My complaint is that you did introduce the price  the vase sold at Lauritz ( which you did!)  as a talking point and not only distracting from your own ulterior motive's because now we are wasting time discussing the price a vase may sell for on a a questionable remote auction site. This is pointless and neither serves you nor the thread any service. It is irrelevant noise. 

Stay on the theme, 

Did Corey use his skill and knowledge and manage to  get a bargain from a dealer!

Narrative: Is your vase genuine and if so what is the average retail price?

The Lauritz vase, First you yourself has said they are a shady outfit. On the back of that Lauritz have auctioned a vase that has a base that screams fake.

However, as i did say it does appear to be genuine in different aspects and perspectives, but if you factor in the shady practice you mentioned at Luaritz and the suspect base and backmark, then you have neither  a genuine nor a modern vase but something that could reasonably be described as  fake, made to look genuine but fake. 

As with any fake it can be convincing then again maybe Lauritz were fooled and thought it was fake and it is in fact real with a fake backmark and therefore a potential bargain. 

I'm sorry. I'm good at confusing people. But to answer your question. 

1. - "Did Corey use his skill and knowledge and manage to  get a bargain from a dealer!" &

2. -"Narrative: Is your vase genuine and if so what is the average retail price?"

1.-I asked the dealer if he had brought the vase to Bruun Rasmussen which he said he didn't and I simply paid the price he asked. 

2.- I've just learned there is a vase very similar to mine available online for $1000.  But then there is of cause the question if that one is authentic or not. I could post the link but I'm not really interested in giving people here the plesure of commenting on it, feeling important. I'll bring my vase to the auction for authentication. So sorry no photos. But thanks for the assistance anyway.

Posted by: Corey

I'm sorry. I'm good at confusing people. But to answer your question. 

1. - "Did Corey use his skill and knowledge and manage to  get a bargain from a dealer!" &

2. -"Narrative: Is your vase genuine and if so what is the average retail price?"

1.-I asked the dealer if he had brought the vase to Bruun Rasmussen which he said he didn't and I simply paid the price he asked. 

2.- I've just learned there is a vase very similar to mine available online for $1000.  But then there is of cause the question if that one is authentic or not. I could post the link but I'm not really interested in giving people here the plesure of commenting on it, feeling important. I'll bring my vase to the auction for authentication. So sorry no photos. But thanks for the assistance anyway.

So you got a bargain, well done. However, people just try to helpful and part of that is giving their opinion which can be critical but is not final. You can get contradictory opinions and there is a good reason for that, it is nothing to be afraid of. 

Ok, so I am confused.  I have tried to follow this thread and it seems to me that basically Corey, you asked our opinion about a vase we haven't seen.  I responded to that with a sensible reply.  I then respected your opinion (with a like) when you said you didn't want to show us it after you had bought it.  So why are we looking at all these other vases?

My feeling is you are concerned that what you have paid for is not what you thought it was.  If you have any doubts that what you have bought is not what you thought you were being sold (ie dealer said it was one thing and you find it isn't) then I would take it back now.

I actually feel quite upset at this comment, "I'm not really interested in giving people here the pleasure of commenting on it, feeling important."  Why then did you ever ask our opinion in the first place?  I don't understand.

I never "feel important" giving my opinion; I feel vulnerable!  Every time I say something about an item, I know there is the chance that I am making an utter fool of myself!  I spend a lot of time trying to say things nicely, trying to research my opinion and this kind of comment of yours is a little unfair to everyone on this board who feels the same as I do or gives their time freely to help others.

I hope you don't mind my saying that.  Have a nice evening.

I agree with Julia. We all try to help. Have we ever made fun of someone who mistakenly bought a fake? It would be easier to ask before you buy but when it’s happened it’s nothing to be ashamed about. I bought many a fake in my life and wish there had been someone to warn me before. 

Dear Julia I am fully with you. I too didn’t like that comment from Corey.

Dear Corey, you can’t say that I did not try to give my suggestions, but frankly I am going to not do that anymore. A thread like this one is totally useless, a non-sense.

You start asking opinions about something that we do not see, based on other things, completely different each other, that seems similar to you. You said that in your opinion a vase that is a blatant fake could be genuine. All this is a non-sense.

You seem specialized in looking for obscure selling platforms around the globe, knowing perfectly that they do sell only fakes, and insisting that some piece could be genuine. Again, a non-sense.

Giovanni

Dear Cory - I find this whole thread rather intriguing! It would seem that you first seek others opinions regarding a potential purchase, you then acquired this vase, at what you believe is a very good price. You then try to justify your purchase by posting numerous images of other, different pieces as been supposedly close/similar to the vase purchased! All very interesting but ultimately rather meaningless to everyone else here, as we still have no images of the vase you originally sort opinions on and subsequently bought. Whilst respecting your decision not to post images of the object purchased, I'am at a total loss in regard to what you want other Forum members to tell you and I, like Julia, find some of your comments rather disrespectful!! We are all here to help each other and, as Birgit says, we have all made mistakes and that is part of the learning process we all go through and hopefully learn from, however costly!!!

Stuart.

I think the problem is that before buying the vase, Corey asked for people’s opinions then, one after one, dismissed every opinion or piece of advice. As Julia said, we all put ourselves ‘out there’ in a vulnerable position to try and help... only to be dismissed, like our advice was pointless. 

Now Corey doesn’t want to put himself in a vulnerable position, to possibly be told he was wrong.

So there is a lesson here, I think: take advice in good faith, it is kindly meant and sincere. Say ‘thank you’ and be respectful that people took the time to try and help.

Courtesy costs nothing.

Nic

Gosh. What a Barrage of April Fool's. Collective noun. By Mainland China time. 

Nx

http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/11/07/36849297.html

This is the vase avaliable at ebay for $1000 or best offer. It has 18 watchers as you can see. The motive its painted with is basically similar to the vase I just bought while the shape is different. My vase is overall better painted than this. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-IMPERIAL-Famille-Verte-Chinese-Porcelain-Vase-Red-YUZHI-KANGXI-MARK/131806641726?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

My considerations was more if it would be worthwhile to purchase the vase for the purpouse of reselling it to generate a profit. I know very little about these 19th/20th century items. While I didn't belive Bruun Rasmussen would estimate it at more than 2000 - 3000 kroner I did the relevant searches an learned that comparable vases have actually done well at other auctions than Christie's, for example on Rob Michels Auctions, but then I got dissapointed when I came across the one at Lauritz that was estimated at less than 1000 kroner and felt I needed to do some more research online. I'm sorry to have upset people.

My God, Corey, you think that that rubbish vase is worth something and you think that you have something so precious in hands?

All what I can say is what already told to you, stop buying and try learning.

That vase is just rubbish and if your vase is better painted be sure that it is not necessary much skills for doing that.

Giovanni

Typical 1980s style with printed outlines.

Hi Corey

Take this as good experience  and never be afraid to show items good or bad

Br Chris 

Hello! I know there are many experienced collectors here but so many of us are not. It would be incredibly helpful if when declaring an item garbage, please teach us. Show us why it's bad. Shinigami's post gave me more information about why it's a bad replica (printed outlines typical of an era) in 6 words than other lengthier posts just declaring it's bad.

I'm considering starting a "show us your fakes" thread under the fakes board not only as a reminder that we all get fooled sometimes but again it's a great learning opportunity for the less experienced collectors. There is an entire cottage industry out there manufacturing items to try and fool all of us. It would be great if we were able to learn from them. I've bought my fair share of fakes but I've also gotten lucky a few times too! 🙂 

Brigit,

How can you tell the outlines are printed. It does look like a colouring book, exactly as you have said. The figures and object are outlines in black and then sloppily coloured in, the Japanese do this also, but they use machines. 

However it appears with this they have coloured it in by hand but it would make sense if it was the outlines were printed and  a worker simply colours them in. 

However the black outlines lines look like they were done by hand. Is it just knowledge and experience that tells you the outlines were printed or can you detect that from observation.