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Brian Crowe
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Topic starter 25/08/2023 11:08 am  

I believe this is a Kutani Japanese vase but can’t find anything to compare it to. But has a European style also. Any help is appreciated.

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25/08/2023 11:13 am  

is it possibly Kyoyaki?

I can't quite tell from the pics but the foot looks a bit more like a sandy porcelain body to me.

really nice looking vase what ever it is.

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25/08/2023 2:32 pm  

I think this is Japanese rather than European and I am sure I have seen that top border - and style of leaves - before.  Why do you think it is Kutani? I also see it as more of a kyoto piece.


   
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Topic starter 25/08/2023 8:54 pm  

@julia only reason I’m thinking it’s Kutani due to the paint stroke and color of the leaves I have found these leaves on several Kutani vases but no where else.


   
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26/08/2023 1:22 am  

I have remembered where I saw a similar border pattern, it was around the neck of I tea pot. I don't know if I still have it but I will have a look later.

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26/08/2023 6:57 am  

I believe what you have here is a chinese Chaozhou Fengxi vase, color palette and brush strokes look right for that kinda ware, from the early 20th century. However, some of the potters and decorators from this area moved to many different parts of SE Asia, so it could be Chinese, but there is also a good chance it could be Vietnamese (mainly because the flowers remind me of the flowers of the Clitoria ternatea plant, used for herbal tea in that part of the world).

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26/08/2023 9:12 am  

The color and form of the (underglaze) green leaves remind me of Liling porcelain from the early 20th century.

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Topic starter 26/08/2023 11:06 am  

@iluvatar Micheal Birgit you guys might be unto something very interesting. I also agree with an early 20th century dating. It’s very unusual vase sometimes these are harder to sell.


   
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26/08/2023 1:40 pm  

Ah yes, Birgit, that is what the leaves were reminding me of. I don't know if anyone remembers me posting these plates below?  We discussed, and weren't sure, if they were Japanese or Chinese and in the end someone (Vic?) suggested Liling.  The brushwork is very like this vase

The neck was reminding me of a satsuma-esque tea-pot but now I am on a big screen I can see it isn't black and gold, so I will have to now say it isn't the same.

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Topic starter 26/08/2023 7:40 pm  

@julia those plate are really nice and elegant did you keep these? I like them.


   
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27/08/2023 2:29 am  

Yes, they are all here somewhere. Interestingly, I didn’t buy them all at once, but from 2 different places in the same general area. They aren't great quality, but they have a nice feel.


   
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27/08/2023 4:54 am  
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My Liling bowl. Brian, if you think of selling the vase you can contact me at raggedrobin (at) freenet.de

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27/08/2023 7:29 am  

@lotusblack 

I suggest you check out Koh's site, he has some info about these wares. https://www.koh-antique.com/client/chaozhou/fengxi.htm

Also, I can't tell with 100% certainty from your pics, if the decoration is underglaze or overglaze enamels. If underglaze, Liling is a good guess, but if overglaze, most likely fengxi.

If you do put it for sale, I would like to know as well, thanks.

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27/08/2023 7:32 am  

BTW, I have this large fengxi jar in my collection, sadly damaged.

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Topic starter 27/08/2023 8:26 am  

@shinigami I will let you know when I do. Thanks


   
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