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@clayandbrush I like your vase. Thanks for sharing it with us. Another great example of an unfinished piece that survived.
@ming1449 That doucai example is really stunning! I don't really have any reason to say that the artistry of the rendering on the road show vase has any serious faults, although the clouds look a bit off stylistically.
However, I'm hung up on the handles, and I'm also trying to understand how such a huge firing crack could have been caused.
How are firing cracks caused? Impurities in the porcelain? Wrong temperature? Improper thickness during the forming of the vessel?
It's a huge crack....
To have put all that work in decorating the vessel... Did they forget to inspect the greenware before firing?
An unfinished piece, I guess I can kind of understand, but one that has such a large crack...tough to swallow.
I had this large fake Qianlong marked doucai vase I bought that showed something similar, and I've seen these fake 'firing cracks' in other pieces do create the illusion of age/authenticity.
Oh...And what about those handles? Any explanation for why they are rendered as right side up ruyi, while every other example is upside down?
Hi Greeno -
I am not a potter but understand that such cracks can be caused due to several issues ...
These include:-
Impurities in the clay, faults in the moulding and/or luting lines and impurities in the slip used to join sections, tiny cracks formed in the drying process, atmospheric conditions during the firing such as unevenness of heat, direction/speed of circulating air, and the consequent movement of heat/smoke between pieces, although the smoke usually effects the glaze surface rather then the body of pieces ...
Any of the above, or combination of such, may result in body defects ...
I would concur the handles are very unusual, but many different 18 C types are known, and numerous others shape types were undoubtedly tried but found unsatisfactory and, as such, would have been immediately abandoned - perhaps the handles on this piece are one such type ..?!
But again, my thoughts only and others may wish to comment on the above ...
Stuart
Dear Giovanni -
What an intriguing vase, a very unusual but rather beautiful piece even if only part finished ...
Thank you for sharing - it makes a lovely lamp!!
Warmest regards
Stuart
Hi all -
Just a quick update ...
This flask is to be offered in Woolly & Wallis forthcoming ‘Fine Chinese Paintings and Works of Art’ auction, 27 July ...
I will be viewing along with other long time collector/dealer friends, two of which have great knowledge on 18thC wares ...
Will let you know their thoughts and opinions ...
Stuart
Hello Stuart
I notice that the Woolley and Wallis sale is now posted online and that they are not describing it as being Imperial.
https://www.woolleyandwallis.co.uk/departments/asian-art/aa270721/view-lot/191/
Below is a vase sold by Sotheby's with the same type of dragon decoration. To my untrained eye there seems to be a significant difference in the quality of the decoration.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
I’m very interested in seeing the result. Not sure if anyone saw the Bonhams’ sale that just passed, but they had a blue & white moon flask with the lotus bouquet design (not unlike my green bowl) listed as 18th c. and with an estimate of $30,000 to $50,0000….did not sell!
Makes me go, ‘hmmm?’
If moonflasks start popping up at auction everywhere, perhaps there is reason for some further investigation. The form is quite rare fir those made 18th or earlier.
Hi Jeremy and Greeno -
I have been invited down to Woolly's next week, with others, to a pre, pre view of there forthcoming sales ...
Will let you know mine, and friends thoughts, after seeing/handling ...
Stuart
@greeno107 @jeremy @imperialfinegems
Hi Greeno, Jeremy, Mark and all -
Attached additional images taken when, along with others, I saw/handled this moon flask yesterday at W&W’s ...
Some condition issues, rather large iron spot to one side, crakes/damage to area of mouth rim and large base crack but no one had any doubts regarding authenticity, the painting style, glaze, construction, footrim and base finish, surface ware and, most importantly, ‘feel’ when handled all indicates the piece genuine 18thC, probably QL period ...
Personally, not my interest/taste but a very impressive object which, understandable, has generated much interest. W&W have received a huge amount of enquires, especially from China, regarding this piece ...
Stuart
Hello Stuart
Thank you for showing the sides, I had assumed that moon flask vases must have been moulded in two separate pieces and your photos clearly show a joint. In your experience was it common for the joint to be poorly dressed or is this due to the size of this particular vase? Images of moon flasks tend to just show the front and back, but not the sides.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
It is interesting to see the join, I haven't really given the construction much thought before. I love the ruyi heads on the handles.
Thanks for posting the pictures.
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