Hi Scott, what's the address of the Chinese antiques website you are talking about, would love to take a look. J

Hello,

This one is getting very interesting 🙂 learn-wise.

First of all I must say there is quite visible difference in structure of the glaze. Can more experienced user determine if the genuine pieces were nice and soft, or they had more ruff glaze like the item that was questioned here? I just wonder if that's a factor in case of that period.

Apart of that I can't see any difference at all.

I don't really see any logic behind an a priori statement that the buyer is not Chinese. If you don't know who bought it why claiming it can't be a Chinese buyer? What's the point?? Last week I had a stall in Lille, just on the first day I was flooded with Chinese people looking thorough my stock, some of them were coming back multiple times. They were excited but none of them had any sort of knowledge at all. They knew ZERO about Chinese antiques and antiques in general, while I had very interesting conversations with Europeans knowing a lot about this subject and I collected a nice pile of business cards from different experts. Nationality doesn't imply somebody is an expert, that's nonsense. I am Polish and I know probably around 80-90% Polish antique dealers active on the market and I know that most of them have zero clue about Polish paintings for example. One has to specialise in this area to be an expert, being Polish is not enough 🙂 Norman Davies is a British researcher and he knows Polish history better than most of Polish historians 🙂 

Kind regards,

Adrian

Dear Scott,

you said that “Ask the seller who bought this piece, probably not Chinese.” That sentence is not clear; since it is not right that what you meant has to be subjected to anyone’s interpretation, I did ask you to please explain better what you meant.

Your answer has been: LOL.

Well to me It is an offensive answer and I ask your explication about that lack of politeness.

You ignored my request and repeated that you are done with this thread.

Then I ask you: why do you post here? For offending others and for avoiding discussion?

It is not the best way to participate in a Forum, don’t you think so?

BTW the example that you posted has a pure white paste. You are mistaking the color of the paste with the color of the surface of the paste, which is not the same thing and it not depends only on the quality of the paste.

Giovanni

PS: dear Adrian, fully agree with you.

Dear Giovanni,

I did not and will never intend to offend anyone here.  LOL was not my reply to you but someone's who commented that I was not the highest bidder for that piece.   I said I new to this system and I did click REPLY icon under that comment but I have no idea it came right under your post.  I apologize to this.

Chinese antique market in mainland China is flooded with fake Chinese antiques, it is estimated moe than 95% of them are fake.  Some of them are copies at very high level, even experienced collectors are hrad to tell.  You have to have learn lots of hard lessons to survive this market.  They experienced all kinds of fake copies and have more experiences in telling the differences from real or fake. Those Chinese collectors are more likely to come out of China to buy stuff or buy them online as they know they have good eyes and believe that fake stuff are much lesst than those in China, even those less experienced Chinese collectors are intended to buy stuff out of country or online stuff outside of China. When you have this situation, some people are trying to import fake copies into North America or Europe and try to sell them in auction houses or online and that is why you see more and more fake stuff on this market.   

All I meant was that after experiencing so much hard lessons by collecting fake stuff in China, they seem to have sharper eyes to locate a good stuff. 

Scott

Hi Scott

Can you give us the link of the antique chinese website discussion about the cup? I'd like to see it. Thanks

I questioned you if you lost the auction because of the words you used... It seemed like you were personally committed to disprove the authenticity of the cup, as if you were angry or had a point to prove. And the fact that you started this thread hours after the auction ends (like you were following it very closely) seemed odd to me. 

Or maybe I misunderstood you feelings ...

I did not read each thread and did not realize there was one already in other section.  My post was to raise my opinions but unfortunatelly was in the wrong time. 

Would you be willing to continue with this thread after receiving unfriendly comments,  challenging your purposes, conspiracy theory.........

Springmeter,  

I do not know what website but I can ask for the link.

http://jd.cang.com/3125971.html

You might need to log in to see the results.

ok thank you so much. I see 5 comments . Using google translate, i think the first responder says it is real....  I'm not sure about the 4 others, however I don't think anyone says it is modern. Maybe I am not looking at the right place?

朋友的藏品不错，值得好好保存。我也有很多类似的藏品。朋友喜欢的话，可以点我头像，然后进入地滩。我们可以进行交流探讨一下产品的价值,多多关注我的店铺，每天都有新货上传，喜欢哪件直接报价就行，我见到会第一时间确认价格

What does this mean to you?

Those comments mean nothing but trying to make more points out of it from collectors.  you will see these almost identical comments to other postings as well. 

 You need to log in to the see the official appraisal results as people pay for the appraisal.

Yes, I've registered and look at other posts. I don't see anything else. 

Why do you say it means nothing?? They clearly say they believe it is real. I have a hard time following you.

Tell me what i am missing. Thanks

Here is the appraisal report I got,  you need someone who understands Chinese to help you. 

It is hard to trust someone that you do not intend or try to trust, isn't it?

Ok thanks Scott for your reply, I didn't see it on the website. However, may I question the  expertise of the website's experts? On the front page, they are selling these two pieces described as ming dynasty and jiaqing mark and period which in my opinion are both low quality fakes. I am not seeing one genuine piece being sold on that website.

http://www.cang.com/new/NewGoods.html

These are the stuff the onwers put on sale.  In China, most of time it is up to you to make the judgement, the owners never guarantee they are real.  They only say the stuff look real to them.  It is up to you to buy or not.  However, most of prudent or inexperienced collectors would pay for the appraisal from the professionals hired by the website before buying them.  But if the professionals are corrupted to help the sellers, then you are screwed.   That is why you have to have enormous field experiences to survive.   There are some collectors that keep monitoring the trend of fake stuff by buying them and studying them.   Sounds unreal here, right?  Those hired professionals most of time do not even have time to monitor each item.   it is the the buyer beware situation.  This is Chinese antique market reality.