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Hi everyone,
Let's have a look at this small jar. How do you think? Authentic? Ming or Qing?
I'm eager to get your feedback.
Greetings 🙂
Xin
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Hi Xin,
I guess you hide the bottom intentionally. Well this is my guess, and it's just a beginner's guess: The jar is copying 16th century Ming faces with dotted eyes, but they don't look cartoon-like enough to be really old. Also the depicted scene doesn't look Ming to me. Late 19th century?
Birgit
If I where Xin would I ask for pictures of the bottom.
And i I where as knowledgeble as Xin would i know better than to ask someone if he didn'nt suspect the object of being good.
My following guess/assumtions are just more based og the impression I have on Xin.
I think maybe the piece is marked Jiajing and Xin wonders if the piece is "mark and period"?
I am quite curious about this.
Best wishes
Adrian
I'll have a go. The decoration has some late ming elements together with transitional or even kangxi style painted features. The cobalt seems a bit flat and the overall painting quite congested and not so fluid. I would guess it is a reproduction although the camera light may be deceiving and as others have mentioned an image of the base would be interesting. Thanks for showing
I am very sure that this is not a modern copy, just by reading how accurate Xin has answered and helped on this forum.
I will however suggest taking a photo on a tripod and not that close-up. I agree that i looks somewhat distorted due the wideangle of the camera.
Maybe Herr Xin is testing us. ?
Hi dear friends,
Well, just like you all (Adrian not included), I didn't realize that it is an authentic Jiajing porcelain. Adrian from Norway, congratulations! ? You get it. The pictures are from a friend who visited the auction and showed me that. I was so surprised. An interesting lesson for me.
Provenance and bottom below.
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Interesting piece and fun that I guessed right.
In Norway we say that "A blind chicken can also find corn". ?
The jar/urn looks like a piece i saw somewhere on the internet and in the back of my mind i thought Jiajing.
Combined with my (now enforced) "profiling" of Xin I found that it would be the most exciting answer to give and therefore maybe correct.
I will try to see if I can find the reference and compare the two.
- Adrian
Yes that make me question the piece along with the bottom but that why I here to learn more.
John
To my untrained eye, I would have suggested export Qing. There are differences,yes, but I would suggest same painter different day. The provenance of the confirmed Ming vase compared to Xin’s example confirms his as Ming as well.
if it is a copy selling as described would be boardering on fraud.
That boarder has certainly been crossed if that is the case.
Even though i felt somewhat smart a second ago, this "picture evidence" has made me doubt not only my soulreading pre-assumptions about Xin, but also my very own existence. :p
All that said, my guts and fait tells me that whatever Xin will explain will make total sense.
All his posts has made total sense and I have gained a lot of respect and admiration for the guy, and this has its logical explanation for sure 🙂
- Adrian
Dear Xin,
I saw this thread this morning and decided to hold my opinion until tomorrow, to let others to say their opinion.
I see now that you have already unveiled it.
Well, first at all, my immediate opinion has been that it is a new jar. I thought so because it can only be Ming or a recent copy, not Qing, and the overall decoration was not convincing as being Ming to me.
Then I saw the picture of the base, which in my opinion is reinforcing what I thought before. That base/foot are extremely fine for Ming ware, and I can understand it on a very fine bowl, but I would be very surprised to see it on a jar, although of small size. Apropos, the size too is suspicious to me, too small for that type of decoration, but I can be wrong on this.
I can’t read Chinese, so I do not understand what the captions of the reference says.
We must also consider that, if original, this jar should be imperial, hence worth much more than the starting price.
I didn’t know of that auction house before; is it a reliable one? I did access their site and had a look at the catalog of the auction where this jar was on sale. I saw some items that in my opinion are highly suspicious.
There is something strange about that auction. It seems that not a single lot has been sold. Who knows the auction has been stopped or they had not yet updated the site, although auctions made after that has the sold prices listed.
Besides all what said above, I am not convinced about this jar.
Giovanni
Here are the link to the lot http://en.chengxuan.com/antiques/114114
Now I look at the object and auction i question with a lot more spectical perspective.
I would expect more pictures on the site, maybe of some labels or other references to the magnificent provenance.
And no condition report and detaljed specs.
A lot of questions have arised and I believe we will get some answers tomorrow.
Good night/buona notte/gute nacht. ?
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