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Topic starter 26/11/2020 4:10 pm  

I bought this sweet piece when visiting South Florida a few days ago.  My photos are pretty bad (I have a cheap phone), but the piece is amazingly realistically rendered...especially the eyes.

It's earthenware / pottery.  Can not find a signature.  Any thoughts on a maker?

An old note / business card dates it to 1875...sounds about right.

There are opening on one side of the mouth and nostrils for smoke to escape.  Can't wait to try it out!

 

What's with the lizard? I tried Google, but nothing comes up on any correlation between lizards and Daruma.

Maybe just a whimsical addition by the artist.

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27/11/2020 2:09 am  

So cool! I have been looking for a Daruma for a while but most of them have rather coarse faces. Don’t know how old it is, but it’s very expressive. 

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27/11/2020 3:09 am  

Hello Greeno107,     @greeno107

Very nice and unusual representation of Daruma. I am by no means an expert but I associate that dull irony red to the cloak with the Kutani kilns.  The Lizard marks your example out to be a little different and I think it is uncommon. You sometimes see him depicted with a horned turtle. The fly whisk is not for dispersing fly's but Daruma's desires. Date wise think last qrt19thc to first qrt 20th. Later ones tend to have a more happy face rather than the traditional glum face.

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Ha Ha Brigit just so happens I have a Duruma for sale on ebay right now. Not sure I would call his face rough it is very glum of course you may view it differently ! Think you can see it if you scroll down to items for sale here at Bidamount I have some brush pots there you can click on other items for sale. You can let me know what you think with a PM on ebay if you want.. would be interested in your views of my description as I always respect your posts here on Bidamount.. but if you don't want to that's fine.

Michael 

 

 


   
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27/11/2020 3:16 am  

Hi Green,

I agree with Michael and Birgit. A very nice piece and quite expressive. I was also thinking possibly Kutani. Although Kutani more often are marked. I guess the lizard is an excuse for the artist to create that particular look on the Daruma’s face, as he looks up at his forehead. Quite imaginative! Congrats on your acquisition.

Todd

take it with a grain of salt


   
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27/11/2020 7:11 am  

 

Hi Michael, the Daruma I’m looking for is like the one above.  They are quite common but most don’t look nice. I once found one with a really good face. I asked the Japanese seller if he really wanted $200 for shipping. Never got an answer and never saw this Daruma again, it just vanished from Ebay. But I keep on watching. 

Birgit


   
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27/11/2020 7:43 am  

Hi Birgit, @shinigami

 

Mine is pretty similar the postage to Europe from down here would be about AUD$70.00 so  about 35e

Anyway have a look won't do any harm...let me know what you think.

Michael 


   
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27/11/2020 10:10 am  

@brettm Sorry I couldn’t find it. Do you have a link to Ebay? The one from the picture is just an example for the many statues that I don’t like that much. The one I liked had a much more natural face, unfortunately I didn’t save an image. If it’s meant to be I will some day encounter him again. 

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Topic starter 27/11/2020 12:12 pm  

@watership When I bought it, I also thought Kutani, which would be of no loss to me as I have a small, but fairly good collection of Meiji period pieces - here's a tripod censer with a figural dragon finial and phoenix form handles.

The red glaze is certainly the same as used in Kutani ware, but since Daruma's robe is red, I'm not sure the artist had much choice of color.  What also seems to be missing for kutani is gold gilt.  I also have not seen figural pieces like this in Kutani with the exception of figural ko-kutani pieces.

Here's a photo of the bottom - has an old red export label that I see a lot on 19th c. pieces, and it has a pencil date from a previous owner that seems to read 02/16/10 (which I assume is 1910).

I also tried to test how the koro might work, and if smoke would come out the nostrils and mouth since there are opening there....I didn't have any incense to burn, so I tried a piece of oily paper.  Didn't seem to work. The back of the koro is wide open, so it seems that the smoke has an easy exit before it builds up enough to come out the mouth.  

Perhaps the opening in the back needs a cover?

 

 

 


   
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27/11/2020 8:50 pm  

@shinigami

If you scroll down to the items for sale here at bid amount. look for pair of bamboo brush pots you will find me, just click on other items for sale.

Michael


   
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Topic starter 27/11/2020 9:11 pm  

@brettm Maybe I ate too much turkey today.... So, I'm looking for your bamboo brush pots without avail.  Do I go to the MarketPlace, then follow an Ebay link?


   
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@greeno107

No just scroll down here at the forum to" On the market your own items" think my item may be about the forth post as others have posted since i did mine. 

Michael


   
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Topic starter 27/11/2020 9:17 pm  

@brettm I found you!


   
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28/11/2020 1:52 am  

Hi Michael, now I found it too, but Ebay doesn’t show other items as I’m located in Europe. A problem that Giovanni has mentioned several times. Today after work I will look at my desktop. Usually a login to Ebay.com is all that’s required. 

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O.K. no problem don't really know where you are except in Europe. I have recently sent a item of Dux back home to the Czech Republic and a pottery figure back to Poland so I know my settings are correct for world wide think with ebay things can depend on what way the wind is blowing


   
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