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Topic starter 17/06/2019 4:07 am  

Hello, still learning the basics about Chinesse porcelain, 7-8 months in this world the bug is stronger than ever 🙂

I am wondering what does a chip(2,34 chips), crack, hairline or restoration means to a porcelain piece ? How much of the value is lost ? 

Is it the same to have one of this flaws on a 17th century Ming piece(or earlier) as for a 19th century piece ?

Thank you !

Best regards

Michael

 


   
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17/06/2019 9:47 am  

Hello, Michael 

This depends on how rare apiece is, and how bad the damage is most hairline and chips can

effect up to 50% of value or more if it a nicely painted and hard to get piece this will effect it less.

so always pay attention to the details and listen to the folks here about pieces god lucky too you.

John


   
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17/06/2019 11:10 am  

Hi Michael,

I agree with John.

Cracks, chips or other will affect a say 19th century item by up to say 50% depending on degree of damage and rarity. Unusual/highly detailed items will be less % wise.

Imperial wares will always command high prices regardless of  damage.

Earlier Ming period wares are often damaged but still command decent prices.

I suppose in a nut shell if you saw something worth say $100 in pristine condition versus say same with crack or chips then as a rule divide by at least two.

Mark

 


   
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Topic starter 17/06/2019 11:31 am  

Complicated stuff. I see very old pieces (Song or Ming) go for nothing because they don't have artistic value, not very beautiful, no delicate painting of the porcelain, and then new pieces, even late 20th century, go for a lot of money ... and after all this, take damage into consideration and many more things to consider.

There is a lot to learn! I am thankful i made very cheap mistakes until now 🙂

Thank you !

Michael


   
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17/06/2019 3:07 pm  

Does even a simple hair line detract from the value? Because someone recently said that hairlines often come from inner tensions of the porcelain and can’t be avoided. 

Birgit


   
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17/06/2019 3:08 pm  

I think it depends where the damage is too? A bad chip on the foot of a plate is ‘better’ than a bad chip on the rim of a comparable plate? So maybe the more obvious the damage the more it affects the price?

For me personally, a hairline isn’t as bad as a chip or a bad crack. I think about how much the damage will affect my ability to the enjoy a piece. I will also think about how much the same piece in perfect condition would be. If the same (or similar) piece undamaged would only be £100 more (but I have to wait for one to turn up), I will wait for the undamaged. If it would likely be £500+ more, I might buy the damaged piece, if it’s not too bad.

Nic


   
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17/06/2019 7:43 pm  

Dear Michael -

This is very subjective - and depends on a number of points including your own perception of the object in question, the rarity - or otherwise - of the piece, the amount of damage and possible restoration costs involved, and whether it is been bought as part of a collection, or acquired to sell on at some point, hopefully for a profit ... 

I can remember a time when a piece with the smallest chip or glaze hair line would be dismissed by a large percentage of buyers - whose only concern was 'perfection'. This is no longer the case due to the availability of these undamaged objects becoming much rarer, and the effect this has then had on prises payed at all levels for objects. This in turn has affected the prices for damaged objects, which have increase greatly over the last ten years ...

All collectors/dealers have there own criteria when assessing an object. Personally, if the object meets my own 'criteria', then damage has never bothered me ... 

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